The Feelings

[qwerty]

I thought the same with mulder and hudson. he can be had.

 

Difference is they were in the last year of their contracts and the a's wanted something for them in return. Chavez has five years left remaining on his contract. Unless they get blown the f*** away it is not gonna happen.

[rangercal]

Givin up on Crede already?

not really. I was just thinking what upgrade would help us the most.

[rangercal]

Difference is they were in the last year of their contracts and the a's wanted something for them in return. Chavez has five years left remaining on his contract. Unless they get blown the f*** away it is not gonna happen.

point taken, the a's are a small market team though, so if they had a chance to load up with even more young guys they may just do it... his contract may be 5 years, but they may not have a contending team for 5 years. I say when you re-build go all out.

[rangercal]

What the hell happened to Aaron Rowand?

Yeah , what did happen to rowand?

[qwerty]

point taken, the a's are a small market team though, so if they had a chance to load up with even more young guys they may just do it... his contract may be 5 years, but they may not have a contending team for 5 years. I say when you re-build go all out.

 

They will be playoff contenders at the very most two years. They are stacked even though some people don't want to believe it.

[YASNY]

Billy Beane does not give long term contracts unless the player is one that he wants to keep. He let Giambi walk. He let Tejada walk. Why would he sign Chavez just to trade him away. This is illogical.

[rangercal]

They will be playoff contenders at the very most two years. They are stacked even though some people don't want to believe it.

I bet hawk may think other wise

Really though, crede would not be a bad replacement, he would be cheap and youg. It would open up their payroll for other future options, They could use Bmacc right now actually , Im sure we would add someone else to the deal.

[rangercal]

Billy Beane does not give long term contracts unless the player is one that he wants to keep.  He let Giambi walk.  He let Tejada walk.  Why would he sign Chavez just to trade him away.  This is illogical.

No, its not. At the right price he can be had. Do you really think we don't have enough to offer?

[YASNY]

No, its not.  At the right price he can be had. Do you really think we don't have enough to offer?

 

Yes. That's exactly what I think. Unless we want to rape the whole system.

[Jordan4life_2007]

No, its not.  At the right price he can be had. Do you really think we don't have enough to offer?

 

 

I hope you're not suggesting B-mac? It would most definitely take him to get a player the caliber of Chavez.

[rangercal]

Yes. That's exactly what I think.  Unless we want to rape the whole system.

I will have to respectfully disagree with you. A crede/top prospects package should be enough to get a star on a small market, re-building team.

[rangercal]

I hope you're not suggesting B-mac?  It would most definitely take him to get a player the caliber of Chavez.

thats exactly what Im thinking. I would rather not. But to get someone like chavez that would be the only route. You know how Kenny thinks.... 1917

[Leonard Zelig]

Isn't Crede a free agent with Boras as an agent? Does Beane deal with him, cause didn't Kenny say he wouldn't?

[rangercal]

Isn't Crede a free agent with Boras as an agent?  Does Beane deal with him, cause didn't Kenny say he wouldn't?

Borass is his agent. Not sure how beane's relationship is with him though.

[YASNY]

I will have to respectfully disagree with you. A crede/top  prospects package should be enough to get a star on a small market, re-building team.

 

You are ignoring the part about Chavez being the man that Beane wants to build his team around. You are generalizing with your small market talk. Beane has already made the decision that he'll keep Chavez. I mean, Tejada is a stud and Beane choose Chavez over Tejada. Does that give any indication of the value Beane places on his stud 3b?

[qwerty]

No, its not.  At the right price he can be had. Do you really think we don't have enough to offer?

 

First off we are not gonna add that much payoll. Two three million is the most i can

realistically see. You really think the a's are gonna pick up any of his salary? How many third baseman do you know that have won four gold gloves in their whole career let alone by the age of 27? He is also left handed which is always an added bonus. Did i mention he is a three hole hitter? He hasn't even entered his prime yet... he isn't going any where any time soon.

Edited May 6, 2005 by qwerty

[rangercal]

You are ignoring the part about Chavez being the man that Beane wants to build his team around.  You are generalizing with your small market talk.  Beane has already made the decision that he'll keep Chavez.  I mean, Tejada is a stud and Beane choose Chavez over Tejada.  Does that give any indication of the value Beane places on his stud 3b?

I know the value he has in chavez. But when you put a deal on the table that is White sox trade package > chavez then you have to listen. If a gm asked Beane what would it take to get Chavez, would he really say he is untouchable? That means their is no trade beane would listen to, even if the A's are coming on top 10 fold?

[qwerty]

I know the value he has in chavez.  But when you put a deal on the table that is White sox trade package > chavez        then you have to listen.  If a gm asked Beane what would it take to get Chavez, would he really say he is untouchable? That means their is no trade beane would listen to, even if the A's are coming on top 10 fold?

 

Joe crede b-mac and one of anderson/sweeney and i am not even kidding when saying that.

Edited May 6, 2005 by qwerty

[Jabroni]

You are ignoring the part about Chavez being the man that Beane wants to build his team around.  You are generalizing with your small market talk.  Beane has already made the decision that he'll keep Chavez.  I mean, Tejada is a stud and Beane choose Chavez over Tejada.  Does that give any indication of the value Beane places on his stud 3b?

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Beane chose poorly. He should have kept Tejada and built his team around him. I think everyone realizes this, including Beane, but no one will admit it because people want to view Beane as infallible.

 

Here is a completely unrelated A's trade rumor though...

 

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/ml...t=.jsp&c_id=oak

According to a credible out-of-town source whose information was substantiated by a National League scout, there have been talks about Eric Byrnes and a low-level prospect being sent to St. Louis for Reggie Sanders.

 

It makes sense on several levels.

 

1.) The A's have made it pretty clear that they aren't going to play Byrnes every day, and $2.2 million is a lot of glue for a guy who isn't always in the lineup.

 

2.) The Cardinals probably aren't going to keep Sanders or Larry Walker beyond this season, so they need a younger outfielder.

 

3.) Byrnes, whose uncertain status might be one of the reasons for his slow start, would probably get a chance to play every day in St. Louis, and my guess is that a change of scenery would do him a world of good.

 

4.) Unlike anyone on the A's current roster, Sanders is a time-tested source of power from the right side of the plate. You can pretty much pencil him in for at least 25 homers a season, and plugging him into the cleanup spot behind Eric Chavez would go a long way toward giving the A's the left-right-left-right attack they so covet.

 

Make that trade, and when Bobby Crosby returns from his injury you'd have a projected batting order of Mark Kotsay (lefty), Jason Kendall (righty), Chavez (lefty), Sanders (righty), Erubiel Durazo (lefty), Crosby (righty), Scott Hatteberg (lefty), Mark Ellis (righty) and Bobby Kielty (switch) or Charles Thomas (lefty).

 

From this angle, that looks a lot better than any of the many combinations we've seen thus far.

Edited May 6, 2005 by Jabroni

[rangercal]

First off we are not gonna add that much payoll. Two three million is the most i can

realistically see. You really think the a's are gonna pick up any of his salary? How many third baseman do you know that have won four gold gloves in their whole career let alone by the age of 27? He is also left handed which is always an added bonus. Did i mention he is a three hole hitter? He hasn't even entered his prime yet... he isn't going any where any time soon.

Like I said if he is picked up at the AS break , half his salary is off the books. JR's team is off to the best start in Franchise history. He has a team that can go far, very far. A few million is what seperates him from the WS? I dont think that's an issue.

 

I Know everything their is to know about Eric Chavez. I did not need your scouting report. I am sorry if I feel we have enough talent in our system to get him. We may get raped, but We have enough. Crede, Bmacc, Sweeney, the list goes on. I love our system. But if that seperates us from the ultimate goal you go for it.

[rangercal]

Joe crede b-mac and one of anderson/sweeney and i am not even kidding when saying that.

I agree qwert. It would hurt. It would not hurt as much in October.

[rangercal]

I just realized, we completely Hijacked this thread

[qwerty]

Like I said if he is picked up at the AS break , half his salary is off the books. JR's team is off to the best start in Franchise history. He has a team that can go far, very far. A few million is what seperates him from the WS? I dont think that's an issue.

 

I Know everything their is to know about Eric Chavez. I did not need your scouting report. I am sorry if I feel we have enough talent in our system to get him. We may get raped, but We have enough.  Crede, Bmacc, Sweeney, the list goes on. I love our system.  But if that seperates us from the ultimate goal you go for it.

 

His salary would not be off the books for the next four years. He averages 11 million a year, that is not what i would consider '' a few million'' Adding chavez is would be a bad idea unless we dumped another huge salary else where ( which is doubtful).

[rangercal]

His salary would not be off the books for the next four years. He averages 11 million a year, that is not what i would consider '' a few million'' Adding chavez is would be a bad idea unless we dumped another huge salary else where ( which is doubtful).

If we got him it would be obvious we would not re-sign Pauly. Probably have gload and chavez at the corners in 06. With added WS revenue though that could open payroll up a little.

[Jabroni]

His salary would not be off the books for the next four years. He averages 11 million a year, that is not what i would consider '' a few million'' Adding chavez is would be a bad idea unless we dumped another huge salary else where ( which is doubtful).

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The ultimate answer that would make you happy qwerty:

 

Trade Crede + prospects for Eric Chavez, trade Konerko to dump salary, and start Gload at 1st base.

Edited May 6, 2005 by Jabroni