Nash wins MVP

[Spod=Ratings]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2005...marc&id=2054677

 

 

i thought it was going to shaq

[rangercal]

I thought shaq deserved it.

[Kalapse]

f*** that Canadian b****, maybe he should try playing some defense.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Great choice. I was getting tired of hearing about shaq's fat ass...

 

Just look at how the Suns played without him...

[Goldmember]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2005...marc&id=2054677

i thought it was going to shaq

 

 

[qwerty]

Worst mvp of all time.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Worst mvp of all time.

 

Bill Walton?

 

 

Nash deserved it.

[rangercal]

Bill Walton?

Nash deserved it.

LOL gotta love walton :

 

Bill (following a tough driving basket by John Stockton) – “John Stockton is one of the true marvels, not just of basketball, or in America, but in the history of Western Civilization!” Tom – “Wow, that’s a pretty strong statement. I guess I don’t have a good handle on world history.” Bill (chuckling) – “Well Tom, that’s because you didn’t go to UCLA.”

[WilliamTell]

I would've gone with Shaq too.

[qwerty]

Bill Walton?

Nash deserved it.

 

Does nash belong on this list?

 

1980-81 - Julius Erving, Philadelphia

1981-82 - Moses Malone, Houston

1982-83 - Moses Malone, Philadelphia

1983-84 - Larry Bird, Boston

1984-85 - Larry Bird, Boston

1985-86 - Larry Bird, Boston

1986-87 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers

1987-88 - Michael Jordan, Chicago

1988-89 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers

1989-90 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers

1990-91 - Michael Jordan, Chicago

1991-92 - Michael Jordan, Chicago

1992-93 - Charles Barkley, Phoenix

1993-94 - Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston

1994-95 - David Robinson, San Antonio

1995-96 - Michael Jordan, Chicago

1996-97 - Karl Malone, Utah

1997-98 - Michael Jordan, Chicago

1998-99 - Karl Malone, Utah

1999-00 - Shaquille O'Neal, Los Angeles Lakers

2000-01 - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia

2001-02 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio

2002-03 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio

2003-04 - Kevin Garnett, Minnesota

 

There are easily several players more deserving than nash is. Mvp's should be an mvp on both sides of the court, no? John stockon was everything nash was this year but better year in year out and was an excellent defender, yet he was never in the top five voting for mvp.

 

15 years ago, amare would be the mvp candidate and nash would just be an elite point guard. Mvo is suppose to be the best player in the league. Is nash the best player in the league? Voting has changed so much nowadays it is sick.

[rangercal]

Phoenix would have the same record with Bibby, or Kidd. Nash should not have won mvp, he was just the missing piece for that team.

Edited May 6, 2005 by rangercal

[WHarris1]

Does nash belong on this list?

There are easily several players more deserving than nash is. Mvp's should be an mvp on both sides of the court, no? John stockon was everything nash was this year but better year in year out and was an excellent defender, yet he was never in the top five voting for mvp.

 

15 years ago, amare would be the mvp candidate and nash would just be an elite point guard. Mvo is suppose to be the best player in the league. Is nash the best player in the league? Voting has changed so much nowadays it is sick.

You just f***ing told me a week ago his D wasn't too shabby.

 

Also-MVP=Player most valuable to their team, not best player.

Edited May 6, 2005 by WHarris1

[qwerty]

You just f***ing told me a week ago his D wasn't too shabby.

 

It is not as bad as advertised but it is nothing special either.

[rangercal]

You just f***ing told me a week ago his D wasn't too shabby.

 

Also-MVP=Player most valuable to their team, not best player.

well his D is shabby this week.

[qwerty]

You just f***ing told me a week ago his D wasn't too shabby.

 

Also-MVP=Player most valuable to their team, not best player.

 

Outside of the year iverson was picked the mvp was the best player in the league. It only makes sense that the most valuable would be the best player in the league whichi nash is not.

[rangercal]

I guess if it were to best player. It would have Gone to Jordan every year he played with the bulls. Willy has a point.

Jordan was better than barkley in 92-93 , better than malone in 96-97

Edited May 6, 2005 by rangercal

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Does nash belong on this list?

There are easily several players more deserving than nash is. Mvp's should be an mvp on both sides of the court, no? John stockon was everything nash was this year but better year in year out and was an excellent defender, yet he was never in the top five voting for mvp.

 

15 years ago, amare would be the mvp candidate and nash would just be an elite point guard. Mvo is suppose to be the best player in the league. Is nash the best player in the league? Voting has changed so much nowadays it is sick.

 

Hey, I've got an idea: Why don't you name names? Nobody was more deserving than Nash this year, and shaq is probably the only one who might have an argument, although not a very good one with below-shaq standard numbers and injuries...Look at the numbers for the Suns this year when Nash didn't play. Look at their overall offensive numbers and how much better it was in comparison to the rest of the league. Look at how many more games they won this year compared to last year, their overall record, and what place they took in the West. Look at how Nash's teammates improved because of him. Look at Nash's amazing assist numbers. Look at his FG%, 3PT%, and FT%. He had a great year.

 

Is it 15 years ago right now? No. The current NBA is VASTLY different to what it was back then. In my opinion and in the opinion of many others, the NBA was much more talented and competitive back then...

 

MVP is NOT supposed to go the best player. The definiton is in the name. MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Nash was the most valuable player on his team this year. The heat were able to win and play very well without shaq, especially with Wade having a great year...

 

Jordan should have won it almost every year in which he played if it went to the BEST player. He was undoubtedly, at least in my mind, the best player in the league AND the most valuable, as proved by those great records, even when he didn't win during the championship years...

[backman]

Nash deserved MVP!

Shaq was just a presence this year (a much needed presence) he was a confidence boost the heat were fine without him, I think was more valuable then Shaq was to the heat. Shaq was the most needed player for the Lakers, they just sucked this year, and need Shaq back badly, Nash deserved it. But the playoffs will settle it. Heat vs. Suns in the championship, that will more then likely show who is most valuable.

[witesoxfan]

This brings up the classic debate on what the MVP should be.

 

Is it the literal meaning of Most Valuable Player, as in, without this player, the team goes nowhere and does nothing?

Or does it signify who is the best player in the league, statistically and talent-wise?

 

I have always felt it was the former, personally, but the point could be argued many, many ways.

 

I honestly have no take on the issue.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Mvp needs to seriously be defined. It was easy in the 90's. Jordan was the best player, on the best team, that won the title every year. I've disagreed with every mvp since 2001. In 01 I thought Shaq should've won it. In 02 I thought Kidd should've won it. In 03 I thought Kg should've won it. Last year I thought Duncan should've gotten it. This year my pick was Shaq. Congrats to Nash, though.

[qwerty]

Hey, I've got an idea: Why don't you name names?  Nobody was more deserving than Nash this year, and shaq is probably the only one who might have an argument, although not a very good one with below-shaq standard numbers and injuries...Look at the numbers for the Suns this year when Nash didn't play.  Look at their overall offensive numbers and how much better it was in comparison to the rest of the league.  Look at how many more games they won this year compared to last year, their overall record, and what place they took in the West.  Look at how Nash's teammates improved because of him.  Look at Nash's amazing assist numbers.  Look at his FG%, 3PT%, and FT%.  He had a great year.

 

Is it 15 years ago right now?  No.  The current NBA is VASTLY different to what it was back then.  In my opinion and in the opinion of many others, the NBA was much more talented and competitive back then...

 

MVP is NOT supposed to go the best player.  The definiton is in the name.  MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.  Nash was the most valuable player on his team this year.  The heat were able to win and play very well without shaq, especially with Wade having a great year...

 

Jordan should have won it almost every year in which he played if it went to the BEST player.  He was undoubtedly, at least in my mind, the best player in the league AND the most valuable, as proved by those great records, even when he didn't win during the championship years...

 

Shaq, duncan, and garnett all had considerably better seasons. I am not gonna fault garnett for being on a team for of selfish cancers. I know you will but that is cool. What do those three have in common? They are threats on both sides of the floor. What does every mvp have in common? They were threats on both sides of the floor.

There has been an arguement for ben wallace that he could have been the mvp

a couple of times. But people argued that he doesn't bring it on two sides of the court. It is a shame the nba favors offense over defense as much as they do.

 

Who did nash really make better? Stoudamire? Nooooo. The numbers he put up in the second half of last year were as good as this years numbers. The most valuable player is almost always the best player in the league.

 

The heat were 4-4 without shaq which is not what i would consider ''very well''.

 

The thing is jordan was not the best player in the league when johnson won his mvps. No matter how much of a homer someone is jordan should not have won mvp's those years. Johnson was nearly averaging triple doubles while being able to play all five positions and play them well. He was also a top notch lock down defender to boot.

 

Do you think nash is a hallf of fame caliber player? Every player that has ever won the mvp is in the hall of fame or is already a lock to do so. Why did jason kidd ( future hall of famer) not win a couple already? Is he nearly as good as any of these players? He would have to repeat this season for another six to seven seasons to have a shot at making it.

 

I forgot that nba championship was given to the best team or iguess the pistons were a bunch of ballhogging selfish players with bad attitudes?

 

The mvp is an individual award and one argue what "valuable" means but should not be construed to be about team success. I guess having a healthy amare, the addition of richardson, the improvement in joe johnson, also had nothing to do with phoenix's success as a team?

 

There are other point guards you could put on the suns and they would have also had a drastic turn around. Does that really make nash the most valuable player in the league? If you take duncan off the spurs, garnett off the timberwolves, lebron off the cavs, iverson off the 76's, and replaced them with basically anyone of your liking those teams would not be close to the same. Steve nash is not a franchise player plain and simple. Jason kidd arguably did more for his team in both 2002 and 2003 than the mvp winners. From 2001 to 2002 there was a 22 game turn around and his numbers were sick especially for a point guard, at the time he was one of the best defenders in the game.

[rangercal]

The thing is jordan was not the best player in the league when johnson won his mvps. No matter how much of a homer someone is jordan should not have won mvp's those years. Johnson was nearly averaging triple doubles while being able to play all five positions and play them well. He was also a top notch lock down defender to boot.

What about 92-93, do you really think barkley was the best player that year over Jordan, or most valuable to his team?

 

Same question goes for Malone in 96-97.

[qwerty]

What about 92-93, do you really think barkley was the best player that year over Jordan, or most valuable to his team?   

 

Same question goes for Malone in 96-97.

 

Considering it was jordans best year out of his last seven i would say no. But if barkley would have had that type of season in any other year sure. The suns did get nine games better that year so that may have something to do with it.

 

One thing i do know is every time there is an mvp picked there may be one other you can make a case for and this year there are many more than one. That has to tell you something about the decision.

[rangercal]

Considering it was jordans best year out of his last seven i would say no. But if barkley would have had that type of season in any other year sure. The suns did get nine games better that year so that may have something to do with it.

 

One thing i do know is every time there is an mvp picked there may be one other you can make a case for and this year there are many more than one. That has to tell you something about the decision.

I dont think nash is a better player than shaq. I can think of maybe 25 players I'd take over nash, even this year. I think the award goes out to who the voters feel is "most valuable to their team". Not best player. With your lists , you seem to think the best player should get it.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Shaq, duncan, and garnett all had considerably better seasons.

 

 

No, not really. All their numbers went down, most had injuries, and you're joking if you think KG would win it going from one of the best in the West last year to not making the playoffs this year. There's no value in that.

 

You really didn't even present a valid argument against Nash winning it.

 

Nash won it not because he will go down in history as one of the best players to play the game, but because there was a lack of strong performances this year for MVP. It speaks more on the level of talent of the NBA right now. Nobody really broke through to make a strong case for MVP this year, and that is a trend that may continue...

 

I still have no idea why you compared him to Kidd from years ago if the award is for THIS year...