Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) If Pitcher A pitches better than Pitcher B which one would you rather have? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The lefty reliever for a bullpen that already has enough righties. Edited May 9, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 01:32 AM) Getting strikeouts and not walking guys would be a good way to avoid those things. 189 IP -- 3.61 BB/9, 10.96 K/9. 8 IP -- 6 BB/8.1, 8.64 K/9. Which line am I going to look at? Easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 8, 2005 -> 08:27 PM) 6 walks, 15 hits, and 10 earned runs in 8.1 innings pitched must just be bad luck, right? :headshake 2 walks, 3 hits, and 3 earned runs in 1.2 innings pithced must just be bad luck, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 8, 2005 -> 08:33 PM) The lefty reliever for a bullpen that already has enough righties. Which pitcher has been better against lefties this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Baj will get more work in Charlotte than he would up here. In a way this could work out better for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 8, 2005 -> 07:34 PM) 189 IP -- 3.61 BB/9, 10.96 K/9. 8 IP -- 6 BB/8.1, 8.64 K/9. Which line am I going to look at? Easy. QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 8, 2005 -> 07:34 PM) 2 walks, 3 hits, and 3 earned runs in 1.2 innings pithced must just be bad luck, right? Guys, am I missing something what's the point of bringing up another reliever anyways?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 9, 2005 -> 01:34 AM) Which pitcher has been better against lefties this year? It's funny, WH1. I love how this double-edged sword is working. Walker has a 5.50+ ERA at Charlotte? Well, it's only 11 IP. Baj put up a huge ERA in 8 IP with the Sox last year? Oh, he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 8, 2005 -> 08:35 PM) It's funny, WH1. I love how this double-edged sword is working. Walker has a 5.50+ ERA at Charlotte? Well, it's only 11 IP. Baj put up a huge ERA in 8 IP with the Sox last year? Oh, he sucks. Whatever stat fits the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Why bother complaining about this anyways? We don't have a voice in the matter so why whine about it? They obviously want another lefty in the bullpen. But I guess if the Sox were being run by you guys, they would obviously have a better record than 24-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 By the way I mean calling up another reliever to the big club not bringing up baj for people who were confused like wharris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Can someone give me a link to these splits so I can see how much better Baj has been against lefties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 8, 2005 -> 08:39 PM) By the way I mean calling up another reliever to the big club not bringing up baj for people who were confused like wharris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 01:38 AM) Why bother complaining about this anyways? We don't have a voice in the matter so why whine about it? They obviously want another lefty in the bullpen. But I guess if the Sox were being run by you guys, they would obviously have a better record than 24-7. 'Cause it's a message board. That's what it's here for, talk about the team and their moves... Sheesh, it's what it's here for. :rolly No, but it'd be nice if we were a little more efficient (with the bling-bling, of course ). It's a stupid move, and nothing you've said has changed my mind, and by your post, it seems like you're not gonna argue it anymore either. Edited May 9, 2005 by CWSGuy406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ May 9, 2005 -> 01:39 AM) Can someone give me a link to these splits so I can see how much better Baj has been against lefties? I wish I could find 'em, but offhand, I don't think Baseballcube has them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) I can't believe a 117 post thread came out of this. I was thinking about it, and adding Walker might not be so horrible. Like some have said, he won't face more than one batter the few times he does go out there. I realize that what the Sox have going right now is special, and nobody wants to see it get messed up, but i'll choose to trust Ozzie and his staff on this one. Edited May 9, 2005 by Jordan4life_2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 I don't see why this is a stupid move. 1. They have 20 games in a row coming up. 2. The primary LH reliever is being used in selected closing situations. The 2nd lefty reliever appears to be the designated long man. 3. Given #1 and #2, they don't have a situational lefty. Walker fits the role. 4. Both Tampa and Baltimore have some very good lefthanded hitters. 5. Harris is back and Ozuna is presumably healthy, so there's no need for Lopez, who needs more experience anyway, and no pressing need for Burke. 6. As for the added cost of $400K, that's a drop in the bucket. 7. 3 lefties in the pen gives Guillen more flexibility. Based on how he's handled the bullpen thus far, he wants and needs that flexibility. 8. If Walker is brutal, they launch him and either trade for a guy or bring up another situational lefty on the 40 man ... Munoz or Reynoso. Walker has more experience than both of those two, so it makes sense he gets the call. 9. Ozzie got a good look at Walker in Tucson and he also knows what Baj or Josh Fields or Munoz can do, he saw something in Walker he likes. 10. The last few spots on the 25 man roster will change again, giving the board another chance to, IMO, overreact to a minor depth move to strengthen the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) "Kiss my ass, bastards!" Edited May 9, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) Kevin Walker played with Carrie Woods in high school. He HAS to be good! http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...layer_id=276526 ... graduated from Grand Prairie High School in Grand Prairie, Texas ... was a high school teammate of the Cubs' Kerry Wood. Edited May 9, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ May 8, 2005 -> 08:14 PM) I don't see why this is a stupid move. 1. They have 20 games in a row coming up. 2. The primary LH reliever is being used in selected closing situations. The 2nd lefty reliever appears to be the designated long man. 3. Given #1 and #2, they don't have a situational lefty. Walker fits the role. 4. Both Tampa and Baltimore have some very good lefthanded hitters. 5. Harris is back and Ozuna is presumably healthy, so there's no need for Lopez, who needs more experience anyway, and no pressing need for Burke. 6. As for the added cost of $400K, that's a drop in the bucket. 7. 3 lefties in the pen gives Guillen more flexibility. Based on how he's handled the bullpen thus far, he wants and needs that flexibility. 8. If Walker is brutal, they launch him and either trade for a guy or bring up another situational lefty on the 40 man ... Munoz or Reynoso. Walker has more experience than both of those two, so it makes sense he gets the call. 9. Ozzie got a good look at Walker in Tucson and he also knows what Baj or Josh Fields or Munoz can do, he saw something in Walker he likes. 10. The last few spots on the 25 man roster will change again, giving the board another chance to, IMO, overreact to a minor depth move to strengthen the bullpen. Jim, you raise some very good points. My point is that I just don't think Walker is going to get any use. Neal, Cliff, Viz, Shingo are all low on innings it seems and I don't think Walker is going to get a lot if any use up here. I know I liked what I saw of Walker in Spring Training and I've said that before to me the move just doesn't make any sense because there are enough guys in the pen already pressing for innings, jmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) Jim, you raise some very good points. My point is that I just don't think Walker is going to get any use. Neal, Cliff, Viz, Shingo are all low on innings it seems and I don't think Walker is going to get a lot if any use up here. I know I liked what I saw of Walker in Spring Training and I've said that before to me the move just doesn't make any sense because there are enough guys in the pen already pressing for innings, jmo. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-handed_specialist He's basically another Kelly Wunsch for us. Hopefully, he shows half the talent. Speaking of Wunsch, he's doing a great job for the Dodgers. Edited May 9, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 8, 2005 -> 08:37 PM) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-handed_specialist He's basically another Kelly Wunsch for us. Hopefully, he shows half the talent. I know what he's supposed to be and why he's up here but it still makes no sense to me. I highly doubt walker gets into any games unless the sox are up a ton and that's Neal's job. I just don't see ozzie throwing him into a game with the sox up by a run in the 8th inning, lefty or not at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) I know what he's supposed to be and why he's up here but it still makes no sense to me. I highly doubt walker gets into any games unless the sox are up a ton and that's Neal's job. I just don't see ozzie throwing him into a game with the sox up by a run in the 8th inning, lefty or not at the plate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> After 31 games into the season, it's quite obvious that Ozzie likes to play the matchups and doesn't mind throwing in a reliever to face just one batter. I think Walker will see some action for us. This will save Marte from having to pitch to only one or two lefties, if Walker is any good that is. Edited May 9, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Don't you love when our biggest concern in Kevin Walker and carrying 7 Relief pitchers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ May 8, 2005 -> 08:44 PM) Don't you love when our biggest concern in Kevin Walker and carrying 7 Relief pitchers? Ha good point. Just something to talk about when there is really nothing else to argue about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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