Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Thanks for that, captain obvious. I was sure they got 4 outs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you need to resort to personal attacks, why bother involving yourself in this debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) What does Marte's numbers from last season have to do with his numbers this season? You asked me what I thought of Marte's pitching THIS season. He has been shaky THIS season. I don't even need to look at his stats to tell that. Thankfully, he hasn't given up many runs. They seem to matter for Neal Cotts and Kevin Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 8, 2005 -> 10:24 PM) Thanks for that, captain obvious. I was sure they got 4 outs. By the way, 4 out of neal's 7 walks this year have come when he's had 6+ days off, that's not a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:28 PM) By the way, 4 out of neal's 7 walks this year have come when he's had 6+ days off, that's not a coincidence. And how many of those are actually leadoff walks, and who is the league leader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 12:28 AM) If you need to resort to personal attacks, why bother involving yourself in this debate? That's not a personal attack my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 That's not a personal attack my friend. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Okay, Captain Obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 12:30 AM) Okay, Captain Obvious. Glad to see you have a sense of humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Marte = piece of s***. Walker was not a waste of money and is an excellent investment. Cotts should be in single a keeping the bullpen catcher warmed up. I win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:30 PM) Okay, Captain Obvious. Just didn't work for me the 2nd time I gotta say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:31 PM) Marte = piece of s***. Walker was not a waste of money and is an excellent investment. Cotts should be in single a keeping the bullpen catcher warmed up. I win. What the hell took you so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) Marte = piece of s***. Walker was not a waste of money and is an excellent investment. Cotts should be in single a keeping the bullpen catcher warmed up. I win. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never inferred that. And qwerty, would you still rather have Joel Pineiro over Freddy Garcia? :rolly Edited May 9, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) I never inferred that. 51 posts in a 190 post thread implies that thought differently, at least to the majority of posters around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 everyone should just stop responding and let this fall off the front page...starting now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 51 posts in a 190 post thread implies that thought differently, at least to the majority of posters around here. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1.) I never said that Marte was a piece of s***. I said he was shaky this season. 2.) I never said that Walker was a huge pickup or an excellent investment. It was a decent risk/reward pickup, nothing spectacular. 3.) I never said that Cotts should be in Single A keeping the bullpen catcher warmed up. I just don't think he's all that great. He probably needs a season in Charlotte to work on his control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) I never inferred that. And qwerty, would you still rather have Joel Pineiro over Freddy Garcia? :rolly Why don't you ask Seattle fans that question, you'd probably be a little suprised with what they would say. Pineiro is almost making half of what Garcia is making, but he's had arm problems this season and is still trying to get over them. 2002 - 14-7, 3.23 ERA 2003 - 16-11, 3.78 ERA Pineiro is dominant when he keeps the ball in the park, giving up HR's seems to be his major problem especially over the past 2 seasons. But everyone is happy with Freddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 8, 2005 -> 10:42 PM) everyone should just stop responding and let this fall off the front page...starting now! Starting...now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:44 PM) 1.) I never said that Marte was a piece of s***. I said he was shaky this season. 2.) I never said that Walker was a huge pickup or an excellent investment. It was a decent risk/reward pickup, nothing spectacular. 3.) I never said that Cotts should be in Single A keeping the bullpen catcher warmed up. I just don't think he's all that great. He probably needs a season in Charlotte to work on his control. Ok so you send Cotts down. Who replaces him? Who becomes the long man? Who now issues the leadoff walk? Would you promote Walker on the basis of his performances in Charlotte so far? If Marte is shaky, what are your thoughts on Luis Vizcaino so far this season? Shingo Takatsu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Why don't you ask Seattle fans that question, you'd probably be a little suprised with what they would say. Pineiro is almost making half of what Garcia is making, but he's had arm problems this season and is still trying to get over them. 2002 - 14-7, 3.23 ERA 2003 - 16-11, 3.78 ERA Pineiro is dominant when he keeps the ball in the park, giving up HR's seems to be his major problem especially over the past 2 seasons. But everyone is happy with Freddy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How long does Pineiro get to use "arm problems" as an excuse for his stuggles? The Mariners are letting him pitch in their rotation so he is healthy, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 I will settle this idiotic argument once and for all. Neal Cotts has shaky control, yes. He's always had shaky control. When he was great in Birmingham a few years ago he walked a ton of guys. At times he struggles mightily with his command, but he can also be lights out. He may need another season to work on his control in Charlotte, but right now he is our 2nd lefty out of the pen and is our long man. He is most certainly better than Jon Adkins or anyone else on Charlotte besides Brandon McCarthy. Kevin Walker got the call, whoopty freaking doo. He'll hardly pitch. And when he does, it'll be when we are either getting blown out or winning by several runs. In fact I am glad some of our younger arms, like Bajenaru and Munoz, stayed in Charlotte where they will get regular work and not rot in the pen. If Walker does get to pitch and doesn't perform, he'll be sent packing. Right now it just so happens we don't have an off day for 10 more days so we needed an extra arm. And on Marte's struggles, it's mighty early in the year to trash a guy who has been our best reliever over the past few years. Don't sit here and give us stats ala Juggernaut. The bottom line is Marte is a go to guy out of the pen and a month where he struggles will not prove otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) How long does Pineiro get to use "arm problems" as an excuse for his stuggles? The Mariners are letting him pitch in their rotation so he is healthy, no? He made his 1st start on May 15. At least give him some time to iron out the kinks. He only gave up 6 runs in 7 innings in his last appearance, before that, 3ER in 8, 4ER in 7 1/3, 4ER in 7, 5 in 5 2/3 against us in his season debut. You would have loved to put Pinerio in our rotation before the start of the season, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 8, 2005 -> 10:52 PM) I will settle this idiotic argument once and for all. Neal Cotts has shaky control, yes. He's always had shaky control. When he was great in Birmingham a few years ago he walked a ton of guys. At times he struggles mightily with his command, but he can also be lights out. He may need another season to work on his control in Charlotte, but right now he is our 2nd lefty out of the pen and is our long man. He is most certainly better than Jon Adkins or anyone else on Charlotte besides Brandon McCarthy. Kevin Walker got the call, whoopty freaking doo. He'll hardly pitch. And when he does, it'll be when we are either getting blown out or winning by several runs. In fact I am glad some of our younger arms, like Bajenaru and Munoz, stayed in Charlotte where they will get regular work and not rot in the pen. If Walker does get to pitch and doesn't perform, he'll be sent packing. Right now it just so happens we don't have an off day for 10 more days so we needed an extra arm. And on Marte's struggles, it's mighty early in the year to trash a guy who has been our best reliever over the past few years. Don't sit here and give us stats ala Juggernaut. The bottom line is Marte is a go to guy out of the pen and a month where he struggles will not prove otherwise. Marte's struggled a bit with his control but I mean his era is in the low 2's somewhere, the guys been getting the job done, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) Marte's struggled a bit with his control but I mean his era is in the low 2's somewhere, the guys been getting the job done, period. And Damaso's always going to be like that. But there's no rule saying if you do walk someone a bit frequently as a reliever, you still can't be sucessful. Compared to last season, we should be happy with the way Damaso has been pitching, quite frankly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 9, 2005 -> 12:55 AM) Marte's struggled a bit with his control but I mean his era is in the low 2's somewhere, the guys been getting the job done, period. Exactly, he is not where he will be come mid-July with his command yet his era is in the 2's. The guy is a flat out stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) Ok so you send Cotts down. Who replaces him? Who becomes the long man? Who now issues the leadoff walk? Would you promote Walker on the basis of his performances in Charlotte so far? If Marte is shaky, what are your thoughts on Luis Vizcaino so far this season? Shingo Takatsu? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We should have signed a decent lefty reliever or kept Kelly Wunsch, quite honestly. But Kenny seemed to not like Wunsch for some reason. Didn't they have a run-in or something? But I understand why Cotts is on the roster -- he can long relieve. Shingo has been bad because he has been getting behind in his counts instead of throwing strikes early. Vizcaino is giving up way too many hits but at least he hasn't been giving up the longball as much as previous seasons (minus yesterday). That's Viz's M.O. Yes, Marte has been shaky just because he has actually given up more walks (10) than hits (9). That's pretty strange. He has still gotten out of his jams though. Edited May 9, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 12:58 AM) We should have signed a decent lefty reliever or kept Kelly Wunsch, quite honestly. But Kenny seemed to not like Wunsch for some reason. Didn't they have a run-in or something? But I understand why Cotts is on the roster -- he can long relieve. Shingo has been bad because he has been getting behind in his counts instead of throwing strikes early. Vizcaino is giving up way too many hits but at least he hasn't been giving up the longball as much as previous seasons (minus yesterday). That's Viz's M.O. Yes, Marte has been shaky just because he has actually given up more walks (10) than hits (9). That's pretty strange. He has still gotten out of jams though. The funny part is we are 24-7 and you are wondering why we didn't keep Kelly Wunsch. I guess its true that some Sox fans are never happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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