JUGGERNAUT Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 The rest of the article stated that he will consider offers from other teams. It sounds like he's leaning towards refusing assignment if he clears waivers. If he refuses assignment I believe he gives up his remaining salary & becomes an UFA. I believe he has the right to talk to teams while being on the waiver list so it's possible he can work out a deal for more $ then. Burke probably isn't worth a team giving up it's waiver priority but he's certainly worth signing as a UFA. I thought he played well for the White Sox when given the chance & I wish him the best of luck with a new team (with the exception of the Twinkees). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) The rest of the article stated that he will consider offers from other teams. It sounds like he's leaning towards refusing assignment if he clears waivers. If he refuses assignment I believe he gives up his remaining salary & becomes an UFA. I believe he has the right to talk to teams while being on the waiver list so it's possible he can work out a deal for more $ then. Burke probably isn't worth a team giving up it's waiver priority but he's certainly worth signing as a UFA. I thought he played well for the White Sox when given the chance & I wish him the best of luck with a new team (with the exception of the Twinkees). Just curious, why would a team give him more money than he's making now instead of just claiming him and assuming his present contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kogs35 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) The rest of the article stated that he will consider offers from other teams. It sounds like he's leaning towards refusing assignment if he clears waivers. If he refuses assignment I believe he gives up his remaining salary & becomes an UFA. I believe he has the right to talk to teams while being on the waiver list so it's possible he can work out a deal for more $ then. Burke probably isn't worth a team giving up it's waiver priority but he's certainly worth signing as a UFA. I thought he played well for the White Sox when given the chance & I wish him the best of luck with a new team (with the exception of the Twinkees). what artical? he had to clears waivers in march to return to charlotte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Kogs35 @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) what artical? he had to clears waivers in march to return to charlotte They designated him for assignment in order to remove him from the 40-man, thus having to clear waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 How odd would that be , if toronto picked him up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted May 9, 2005 Author Share Posted May 9, 2005 Just curious, why would a team give him more money than he's making now instead of just claiming him and assuming his present contract? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You lose your waiver priority then. The Blue Jays are a good example though I'm not sure if Burke is their type of player. But based on last season's record they probably have a high waiver priority. You typically want to spend that in August where teams still try to work our trades using the waiver wire. The rules are a little different then & waiver priority is a much bigger deal then. If you claim him now you will drop to the end of the priority list. So it would make more sense to work out a new deal with a player you know is going to refuse assignment then to claim him off waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 I wish he were still with the team, but there are better opportunities out there. The Blue Jays have an wide open spot for him now especially since Quiroz is hurt, too. Most teams could use a versatile player like Burke. I wish him the best and I don't think we'll be seeing him playing for the Sox again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 What article are we talking about? Two Chicago papers said he'd likely explore outside options, the other said he'd likely remain with the org. at Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 9, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) You lose your waiver priority then. The Blue Jays are a good example though I'm not sure if Burke is their type of player. But based on last season's record they probably have a high waiver priority. You typically want to spend that in August where teams still try to work our trades using the waiver wire. The rules are a little different then & waiver priority is a much bigger deal then. If you claim him now you will drop to the end of the priority list. So it would make more sense to work out a new deal with a player you know is going to refuse assignment then to claim him off waivers. What do you mean by waiver priority? I always thought the team with the worse record has priority. I think last year's record is out the window for this year since the season is more than 30 days old. Are you sure you move to the end of the line if you claim a player? I don't think that is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Assuming he clears I think he'll remain in the organization, but still, I would think he'd at least check in if another team had more of an opening for potential major league playing time. Jamie's a good guy and I wish him nothing but the best. Although he would definately be a loss, I know the Sox have Big Ben down in AAA, but Burke provided good depth down in Charlotte and could always help the Sox out in a bind. Its funny how they pulled him from the 40 because it wasn't like they didn't have an open spot. Unless when Willie went on bereavment it opened up a roster spot on the 40 (is that possible)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 9, 2005 -> 01:48 PM) What do you mean by waiver priority? I always thought the team with the worse record has priority. I think last year's record is out the window for this year since the season is more than 30 days old. Are you sure you move to the end of the line if you claim a player? I don't think that is true. No you don't, it goes by record and league. If its an AL player they go from the worse record to the best to claim and then it goes to the NL from the worse record team to the best record. Once a player clears waivers during the year then they are free to move between the majors and AAA for that entire season as well (If I understand waivers correctly). In the case of Burke he only has to clear once again because he is being removed from the 40. Edit: Maybe the only time waiver priority would come into effect would be in the case of a tie (where two AL teams have the same record, which team gets the shot at claiming the player first)? Otherwise I'm 99% sure there is no such thing as waiver priority, I know it comes down to record. Also the reason teams often times let guys slip through waivers and then negotiate with them is for financial purposes. If you claim them then you pick up the remaining contract. However, if they clear waivers and become FA's then you can offer them the league minimum and the team that waived him is responsible for the rest of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted May 9, 2005 Author Share Posted May 9, 2005 What do you mean by waiver priority? I always thought the team with the worse record has priority. I think last year's record is out the window for this year since the season is more than 30 days old. Are you sure you move to the end of the line if you claim a player? I don't think that is true. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> [/quote http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/spo/mlbpa/mlbpa_cba.pdf Everything you wanted to know about waivers & the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 9, 2005 -> 05:35 PM) http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/spo/mlbpa/mlbpa_cba.pdf Everything you wanted to know about waivers & the trade deadline. Nice, the entire Collective Bargaining Agreement, a must read for all true MLB fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 If Burke goes we might be short a poster due to suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 How odd would that be , if toronto picked him up? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I mentioned this yesterday. With Zaun's injury and a no-hitting backup catcher in Ken Huckaby, I think they will either claim Burke or sign Greg Myers out of retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted May 9, 2005 Author Share Posted May 9, 2005 (edited) http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/schedule...nt_dates_05.jsp I thought I understood it but then I saw this. There are more waiver periods then I could have imagined & I know there are different rules governing each period. The CBA doesn't help because it refers to the infamous Major League Rule 10. Which I assume is in the same document with ML Rule 5 (draft) but I can't seem to find that either. Your guess is as good as mine. Unless I read otherwise I'm going to assume that basically from the end of the season until the first 30 days of the season the previous yr's records are used to decide between two teams in the same conference (AL, NL) making a claim on a player. I've read nothing on whether that changes after a team wins a claim. Basically the rule would be then after a team claims a player off waivers they can not contest another team's claim to a player on waivers. I don't know if that's true. Rule 10 would have the details on that. I likewise know that in Aug a team has only 2 options when it comes to waivers : rovoke the player from waivers (if they have not done so already) or negotiate a trade. Ex. The White Sox put Rowand on waivers, & Minny made a claim. The White Sox could revoke Rowand from waivers. The next time in that month they put him on waivers if Minny claimed him they would have to negotiate a deal. I'm not saying they would do that. I choose Rowand because he's not a 10-5 player which complicates things. Also in Sept the 25 man roster becomes the 40 man roster. So a team does not spend an option yr on a player with option yrs to call them up. Likewise I don't know for sure but I believe any player you call up in Sept does not accrue ML service time. It's basically free-time for a club with respect to options & arbitration. At least that's how I understand it. In Jamie's case he has value as a PH off the bench as well as a C. I think that's going to lead to someone claiming him or negotiating a new deal with him. If you claim him then you accept the terms of the original deal. Edited May 10, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I would expect MLB Teams looking for a backup catcher to call Benito Santiago (who was just released by the Pirates) before calling our boy Burke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I would expect MLB Teams looking for a backup catcher to call Benito Santiago (who was just released by the Pirates) before calling our boy Burke. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed. A team wouldn't have to waste their waiver priority to sign Santiago and he also has more veteran experience than Burke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 He seemed like a really nice guy but theres no room for him here. Hopefully he can go somewhere where he can get some major league playing time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Look, he's a good guy and all, but for Jamie Burke to be in high demand, there would have to be an explosion at the backup catchers convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Burke has cleared waivers at least twice the last 6 months, maybe 3 times. Chances are he will again, and his choices will be playing in Charlotte, signing a minor league contract with another team, or retiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 (edited) Sayonara Jamie and best of luck to you where ever you end up! Edited May 10, 2005 by EvilJester99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted May 12, 2005 Author Share Posted May 12, 2005 I guess the detractors were right. Burke just doesn't have much worth outside the White Sox. He cleared waivers & accepted his assignment to Charlotte. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Art...Sports/Baseball Zaun was released in time to watch Monday's 6-1 victory over the Royals from the dugout. He figures to miss 12 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Burke was back in Charlotte yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26thStreet Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) I mentioned this yesterday. With Zaun's injury and a no-hitting backup catcher in Ken Huckaby, I think they will either claim Burke or sign Greg Myers out of retirement. Jamie went 0-for-3 Wednesday night for Charlotte, ending a 10-game hitting streak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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