Gamethread 5/10/05

[quickman]

Still looking for a volunteer to say exactly how they would've handled the relievers better.

 

As donkeykongerko and Alizee pointed out, the order was Cotts, Vizcaino, Marte, Takatsu.  That's a pretty normal progression, at least based on their roles up to this point.

 

The relievers, and the starter, did not get the job done.  9 walks.

 

 

Jim I just disagree with shingo, everything else was fine. Pitch politte in the ninth, instead of shingo.

[Guest JimH]

Jim I just disagree with shingo, everything else was fine. Pitch politte in the ninth, instead of shingo.

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You hate Politte and you want him pitching in the 9th????????

[qwerty]

That's great, I tend to agree.  It was not a save situation in the 9th.

 

I want our stopper out there in a tight game. Especially considering he can go multiple innings. Doesn't make sense to put out arguably one of our worst relievers at this point in a tied game in the 9th inning.

[fathom]

Still looking for a volunteer to say exactly how they would've handled the relievers better.

 

 

I'll bite....no problem with Cotts starting the 7th. However, Politte would have been my choice to relieve after Cotts. Politte has pitched 5 times more effectively than Vizcaino this year. Politte would have been given the rest of the 7th, and the first few batters until Crawford and Huff batted in the 8th. Marte would get the call then, and Hermanson would have been the closer.

[quickman]

You hate Politte and you want him pitching in the 9th????????

 

 

I hate shingo more. Politte is pitching much better. Ozzie goes by feel, he should f***ing feel that politte is better than shingo. he should feel that he should ship shingo away on a slow boat to china. he should feel, that he should manufacture a f***ign run from the 7th inning on, he should feel, that everyone has hit shingo's bulls*** and putting him in during a tie game when tampa was scoring runs might be a bad damn idea.

[Guest JimH]

I want our stopper out there in a tight game. Especially considering he can go multiple innings. Doesn't make sense to put out arguably one of our worst relievers at this point in a tied game in the 9th inning.

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Tough to argue with your logic, given the result.

 

Let's look at it this way ...

 

Suppose you have Hermanson go the 9th and 10th and let's say for sake of argument the White Sox push one across in the 11th.

 

You have Shingo, Politte, and Walker left in the pen.

 

Logic says you go with Shingo, so now your closer (Hermanson) isn't closing out the game ... Shingo is.

 

Shingo was not out there in a save situation. Maybe Politte instead of Shingo in the 9th, maybe.

[quickman]

Getting away from the pen and just the pitching in general, the 3-4-5 hitters are becoming a major, major issue.

 

Konerko-Rowand-Dye has become a huge hole in the lineup, period. While they are all proven hitters, the "They'll get hot" line is wearing quite thin.

 

Wake the f*** up.

 

 

they will when thomas comes back

[fathom]

If we can't count on Shingo to pitch an inning with allowing a run, then he can't be pitching in close games anymore. It's pretty simple.

[qwerty]

Tough to argue with your logic, given the result.

 

Let's look at it this way ...

 

Suppose you have Hermanson go the 9th and 10th and let's say for sake of argument the White Sox push one across in the 11th.

 

You have Shingo, Politte, and Walker left in the pen.

 

Logic says you go with Shingo, so now your closer (Hermanson) isn't closing out the game ... Shingo is.

 

Shingo was not out there in a save situation.  Maybe Politte instead of Shingo in the 9th, maybe.

 

Who gives us the better chance of extending the game to the 11th inning at this point? I would have taken my chances with hermanson in the 9th over shingo and i was pissed when i saw shingo coming out.

[Guest JimH]

I'll bite....no problem with Cotts starting the 7th.  However, Politte would have been my choice to relieve after Cotts. Politte has pitched 5 times more effectively than Vizcaino this year.  Politte would have been given the rest of the 7th, and the first few batters until Crawford and Huff batted in the 8th.  Marte would get the call then, and Hermanson would have been the closer.

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Fair enough. So what you're saying is you'd use Politte and keep Vizcaino so he can go in the 8th?

 

He had Politte getting ready behind Vizcaino, which means Politte would've been in a key role or reserved for extra innings.

 

You can bet Politte will pitch tomorrow.

[Guest JimH]

Who gives us the better chance of extending the game to the 11th inning at this point? I would have taken my chances with hermanson in the 9th over shingo and i was pissed when i saw shingo coming out.

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So then Shingo is your closer?

[fathom]

Fair enough.  So what you're saying is you'd use Politte and keep Vizcaino so he can go in the 8th?

 

He had Politte getting ready behind Vizcaino, which means Politte would've been in a key role or reserved for extra innings.

 

You can bet Politte will pitch tomorrow.

 

JimH....my plan would have been to not even consider using Vizcaino in that game, as long as we were winning. Politte, Marte, and Hermanson are our best relievers by far right now. Thus, I would have taken my chances with them getting 9 outs with a 2 run lead.

[quickman]

Thats about 4 weeks to long........

 

 

we will be about 4 games out by then

[Guest JimH]

Paging quickman, do you not hate Politte or has there been a wind shift recently?

 

[qwerty]

So then Shingo is your closer?

 

No. At this point hermanson is. I wanted hermanson to start the 9th whether we were tied or had the league. Hermanson gives us the better chance to extend the game in my opinion and that is what we were looking for at that point in time. Worry about closing out the game once you get the lead, not before hand.

[quickman]

Paging quickman, do you not hate Politte or has there been a wind shift recently?

 

 

 

I hate Shingo more. after that clevland game earlier this year. I cannot watch shingo. He really has nothing to throw up there.

[Guest JimH]

JimH....my plan would have been to not even consider using Vizcaino in that game, as long as we were winning. Politte, Marte, and Hermanson are our best relievers by far right now.  Thus, I would have taken my chances with them getting 9 outs with a 2 run lead.

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Again, tough to disagree using Politte vs. Vizcaino, after Cotts got pulled.

 

He has to show faith in these guys, Vizcaino being one. He obviously has more faith in Politte than Vizcaino right now, seeing as he puts Viz in the game before Politte.

 

He cannot manage the game with blind faith the D-Rays will not tie it up, remember the Cleveland game, he had no one left.

 

He had Hermanson, Politte, and Walker left for extra innings.

 

Anyway, tough to argue about Politte going in instead of Viz.

[quickman]

Glad your enjoying this 24-9 team.

 

 

Tony, I don't enjoy any season, its really work and frustration for me. alot like golf. i am emotionally attached.

[fathom]

Am I the only one who would like to see Uribe batting 3rd right now? He's our best hitter, and he's the most likely person to be able to knock in Pods if he steals 2nd base, etc. Everett isn't getting the job done right now.

[quickman]

Am I the only one who would like to see Uribe batting 3rd right now?  He's our best hitter, and he's the most likely person to be able to knock in Pods if he steals 2nd base, etc.  Everett isn't getting the job done right now.

 

 

yes I think you are.

[Guest JimH]

No. At this point hermanson is. I wanted hermanson to start the 9th whether we were tied or had the league. Hermanson gives us the better chance to extend the game in my opinion and that is what we were looking for at that point in time. Worry about closing out the game once you get the lead, not before hand.

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If Hermanson is your closer, which I agree with, then Guillen held him in reserve for a possible closing situation.

 

I know what you're saying, but the manager holds the closer in reserve for a possible closing situation ... and we are crucifying that????

 

Isn't the bigger issue this: Contreras is a wild card in terms of his control, Shingo is not the pitcher he was last year, they need to figure out this closer situation once and for all?

 

Note: I think we all saw who the closer is. It's Hermanson, seeing as he didn't pitch the 9th. This is a May game vs. Tampa Bay, it's not the 5th game of a playoff series.

[qwerty]

Am I the only one who would like to see Uribe batting 3rd right now?  He's our best hitter, and he's the most likely person to be able to knock in Pods if he steals 2nd base, etc.  Everett isn't getting the job done right now.

 

Bat widger third.

[Guest JimH]

I hate Shingo more. after that clevland game earlier this year. I cannot watch shingo. He really has nothing to throw up there.

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Your issue is the correct issue to focus on ... as warped as you are expressing it.

 

They are working around Shingo, hoping he gets it together. That cannot go on indefinitely. Guillen says he has faith in this guy but it's obvious to me at least that he doesn't.

[quickman]

If Hermanson is your closer, which I agree with, then Guillen held him in reserve for a possible closing situation.

 

I know what you're saying, but the manager holds the closer in reserve for a possible closing situation ... and we are crucifying that????

 

Isn't the bigger issue this:  Contreras is a wild card in terms of his control, Shingo is not the pitcher he was last year, they need to figure out this closer situation once and for all?

 

Note:  I think we all saw who the closer is.  It's Hermanson, seeing as he didn't pitch the 9th.  This is a May game vs. Tampa Bay, it's not the 5th game of a playoff series.

 

 

The real issue is that shingo really doesn't have a place on this team, but he is still here, which means we are working with a man short. When do you pitch the guy? Thats a bullpen problem.

[quickman]

Your issue is the correct issue to focus on ... as warped as you are expressing it.

 

They are working around Shingo, hoping he gets it together.  That cannot go on indefinitely.  Guillen says he has faith in this guy but it's obvious to me at least that he doesn't.

 

 

see my last post, don't call me warped.