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[southsideirish71]

Stick with Dye until the all star break at least,  if he is still sucking as much as he is now figure something out.  Either have Everett play RF or call up Anderson if he is stilling hitting what is it .330 in AAA.

 

So lets stick with him hitting 200 and playing his terrible defense. This is not a single factor decision. If he was hitting like crap but throwing leather in RF its one thing. But he is dropping fly balls, throwing the ball all over, he cant get to the ball, when he does he doesnt bend over to pick it up.

 

This was a guy that was supposed to be hitting at least some. I mean I hate to say it, but Borchard can hit what Dye is and also Borchard is fast and can catch a ball. We took a gamble. Walker needs to earn his keep and figure out whatever is broke with Konerko and Dye. We cant go through the allstar break with 2 of our main power guys hitting 200 and not being able to drive in the guys who are on the bases.

 

Last year we hit solo homers. Now we have guys on base and no one is driving them in.

[greg775]

I like your logic, Jim.

I like your patience.

I try to be patient myself, but I'm starting to lose it regarding Dye.

I guess all we can do is ride it out with Dye.

But he is really really doing nothing.

He's reminding me of Pena of the Tigers, 0-4s galore.

[DBAHO]

Hey we could have Joe borchard come in and pop it up just as much, but he'll also tear the cover off the ball once and friggin while

He's hitting like .182 down at Charlotte.

[knightni]

Griffey's contract is an albatross around the neck of Reds management. Leftover reminders of the "quality" GM-ing that Bowden did in Cincy.

 

You could possibly see Griffey going to the Yankees or the Nationals in the near future.

[Jabroni]

I assumed Kenny would force Cincy to pick up quite a bit of Griffey's contract

 

Teams have done that in the past while trading with Kenny, so it is possible

 

Just look at what happened with the Arod contract. The Rangers picked up a huge amount of the contract, and considering how much better ARod is to Griffey, this is possible. ANd the Sox will not have to pay much in terms of salary or prospects fro Griffey.

 

Griffey's value is at a all time low with the injury + contract issues. It is a huge roll of dice but something that could turn out very well IMHO.

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Do you think if the Reds are going to trade Griffey, they are going to pick up his contract? With an outfield of Dunn, Pena, and Kearns, they will be looking to DUMP his contract, not pick it up. The only team that I could see going after Griffey is the Yankees because they could take on his contract. They don't have much in the way of prospects to send to the Reds but they wouldn't have to send much since they would be picking up his albatross of a contract.

Edited May 11, 2005 by Jabroni

[knightni]

Do you think if the Reds are going to trade Griffey, they are going to pick up his contract? With an outfield of Dunn, Pena, and Kearns, they will be looking to DUMP his contract, not pick it up.  The only team that I could see going after Griffey is the Yankees because they could take on his contract.  They don't have much in the way of prospects to send to the Reds but they wouldn't have to send much since they would be picking up his albatross of a contract.

Where did I hear that before?

 

Oh yeah!

 

Griffey's contract is an albatross around the neck of Reds management. Leftover reminders of the "quality" GM-ing that Bowden did in Cincy.

 

You could possibly see Griffey going to the Yankees or the Nationals in the near future.

[Jabroni]

Where did I hear that before?

 

Oh yeah!

 

Griffey's contract is an albatross around the neck of Reds management. Leftover reminders of the "quality" GM-ing that Bowden did in Cincy.

 

You could possibly see Griffey going to the Yankees or the Nationals in the near future.

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Did you ever think people skim through threads without reading every single post? :headshake Yeah, I guess you were the only one who ever thought Griffey would go to the Yankees. It has been rumored for a few weeks now, in case you didn't know. LOL, pitiful.

Edited May 11, 2005 by Jabroni

[knightni]

Pitiful?

 

You are the one who nearly copied my post word for word.

[Jabroni]

Pitiful?

 

You are the one who nearly copied my post word for word.

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Do you honesltly think I care that much of your baseball opinions? Griffey to the Yankees has been rumored for awhile now. :rolly I'm sorry I stepped on your toes, Peter Gammons.

[knightni]

Do you honesltly think I care that much of your baseball opinions?

Do you honestly think that anyone here cares about your baseball insights either?

 

If I want pointless opinions, I'll watch BBTN.

Edited May 11, 2005 by knightni

[Jabroni]

Do you honestly think that anyone here cares about your baseball insights either?

 

If I want pointless opinions, I'll watch BBTN.

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THANKS FOR BEING THE FIRST ONE TO PREDICT GRIFFEY TO THE YANKEES! I DIDN'T KNOW PETER GAMMONS WAS POSTING HERE! OH BOY, OH BOY!

[YASNY]

I agree with JimH. It's way too early to give up on a solid veteran like JD. Though, I don't know what his problem is defensively. He's reputed to be a solid defensive outfielder.

[Jabroni]

I agree with JimH.  It's way too early to give up on a solid veteran like JD. Though, I don't know what his problem is defensively.  He's reputed to be a solid defensive outfielder.

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I just wish Everett could be trusted in RF. Our lineup could improve greatly once Frank is back if Carl could play RF. Until then, Dye needs to stop playing like crap.

[RockRaines]

I agree with JimH.  It's way too early to give up on a solid veteran like JD. Though, I don't know what his problem is defensively.  He's reputed to be a solid defensive outfielder.

I dont understand how everyone thinks he is this SOLID veteran. He was good a couple of years ago, has been injury prone and never quite lived up to expectations. Just because he has been in the league for awhile doesnt mean he is good.

 

Its becoming time to face the facts that we got Jermaine at a good price because he isnt worth much more. At this point im almost more comfortable with Timo playing in RF, because at least he wont be as lazy and may not try to hit Hr's every time at bat.

[YASNY]

I dont understand how everyone thinks he is this SOLID veteran.  He was good a couple of years ago, has been injury prone and never quite lived up to expectations.  Just because he has been in the league for awhile doesnt mean he is good.

 

Its becoming time to face the facts that we got Jermaine at a good price because he isnt worth much more.  At this point im almost more comfortable with Timo playing in RF, because at least he wont be as lazy and may not try to hit Hr's every time at bat.

 

Dye's had some very flukey injuries. It's not like he's got a chronic recurring problem. Those injuries have hampered his productivity. When healthy, he's always been a solid productive major leaguer and I believe he still can be one. I don't think Jermaine is washed up. But, hey, it's only my opinion.

[Guest JimH]

I dont understand how everyone thinks he is this SOLID veteran.  He was good a couple of years ago, has been injury prone and never quite lived up to expectations.  Just because he has been in the league for awhile doesnt mean he is good.

 

Its becoming time to face the facts that we got Jermaine at a good price because he isnt worth much more.  At this point im almost more comfortable with Timo playing in RF, because at least he wont be as lazy and may not try to hit Hr's every time at bat.

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He had a solid 2004, not great, but solid. That's where I come up with the solid veteran tag.

 

There was a reason why other teams wanted him, he is known as a pro's pro, far from lazy.

 

He's had his bonehead moments in the first 5 1/2 weeks of his White Sox career but IMO you are way to quick on the trigger here.

[RockRaines]

He had a solid 2004, not great, but solid.  That's where I come up with the solid veteran tag.

 

There was a reason why other teams wanted him, he is known as a pro's pro, far from lazy.

 

He's had his bonehead moments in the first 5 1/2 weeks of his White Sox career but IMO you are way to quick on the trigger here.

I dont see how his 2004 season was solid, with his high strikeouts and low avg. And that season was just another decline from 2000. I believe there was only one other team who wanted him, and it was a last place team that was trying anything to get out of the gutter.

As far as fluke injuries go, injuries are injuries, and some people are injury prone, look no further than across the city. I have seen several pazy plays from him already this season and a lack of fundamental and situational baseball. I just think its time to give someone else a shot and let him think about it, because you never know, someone might prosper when given a chance. (brian roberts)

[beck72]

I dont see how his 2004 season was solid, with his high strikeouts and low avg.  And that season was just another decline from 2000.  I believe there was only one other team who wanted him, and it was a last place team that was trying anything to get out of the gutter.

As far as fluke injuries go, injuries are injuries, and some people are injury prone, look no further than across the city.  I have seen several pazy plays from him already this season and a lack of fundamental and situational baseball.  I just think its time to give someone else a shot and let him think about it, because you never know, someone might prosper when given a chance. (brian roberts)

Dye was signed early in the offseason, right after the A's declined arb with him. He'd likely have gotten a lot of interest if he had waited to sign.

 

A pitcher with poor mechanics may deserve the tag "injury prone", or someone who has the same recurring injury happen season after season. This is far different than an OFer who breaks his leg, hand or misses time due to injuries on different parts of the body

[Guest JimH]

I dont see how his 2004 season was solid, with his high strikeouts and low avg.  And that season was just another decline from 2000.  I believe there was only one other team who wanted him, and it was a last place team that was trying anything to get out of the gutter.

As far as fluke injuries go, injuries are injuries, and some people are injury prone, look no further than across the city.  I have seen several pazy plays from him already this season and a lack of fundamental and situational baseball.  I just think its time to give someone else a shot and let him think about it, because you never know, someone might prosper when given a chance. (brian roberts)

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The Diamondbacks and Texas were the two primary competitors with the Sox.

 

As for spelling him ... I bet Timo plays today, that will be the topic for another round of hair pulling on this board

 

I know you mentioned Brian Anderson ... he is striking out about once every 3 at bats in Charlotte, maybe a tad less.

 

They have to show faith in this guy and they will. The team has had two bad games but is in 1st place, trust me when I say part of building team chemistry is letting veterans work their way out of funks.

 

Edit: Anderson has struck out 33 times in 115 AB's, roughly once every 3.5 AB.

Edited May 11, 2005 by JimH

[retro1983hat]

We would all be thrilled right now if Dye were putting up numbers like .265 and on pace for 25 HRs and 80 RBIs. Of course with him hitting so bad, expectations are lowered. I am scared to death of what happens when our pitching goes through a week-long funk and we have to rely on 3-4-5-6 in the order to carry us. Lot's of popups, strikeouts, warning track power and double play balls

[RockRaines]

The Diamondbacks and Texas were the two primary competitors with the Sox.

 

As for spelling him ... I bet Timo plays today, that will be the topic for another round of hair pulling on this board 

 

I know you mentioned Brian Anderson ... he is striking out about once every 3 at bats in Charlotte, maybe a tad less.

 

They have to show faith in this guy and they will.  The team has had two bad games but is in 1st place, trust me when I say part of building team chemistry is letting veterans work their way out of funks.

 

Edit:  Anderson has struck out 33 times in 115 AB's, roughly once every 3.5 AB.

Anderson is also hitting over.300, but as far as Dye goes, I hope he can break out of this and hit like we all think he can. At this point though, since i have seen his defense lack as well, im losing confidence every day.

[RockRaines]

And im still going to call for the promotion of Anderson, the guy is a stud, and cant possibly stay down there much longer.

[southsider2k5]

I dont see how his 2004 season was solid, with his high strikeouts and low avg.  And that season was just another decline from 2000.  I believe there was only one other team who wanted him, and it was a last place team that was trying anything to get out of the gutter.

As far as fluke injuries go, injuries are injuries, and some people are injury prone, look no further than across the city.  I have seen several pazy plays from him already this season and a lack of fundamental and situational baseball.  I just think its time to give someone else a shot and let him think about it, because you never know, someone might prosper when given a chance. (brian roberts)

 

Who would you be playing instead of Dye? You have either Timo, Ozuna, or Carl Everett.

 

I also see you mentioned Roberts, but how many years has Roberts been on a major league roster to prepare him for an everyday job?

[RockRaines]

Who would you be playing instead of Dye?  You have either Timo, Ozuna, or Carl Everett. 

 

I also see you mentioned Roberts, but how many years has Roberts been on a major league roster to prepare him for an everyday job?

You got into the convo a little late on this one. I hope Dye snaps out of it, but someone needs to step in and get something done. I think Timo will get a shot today.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

I can understand being a little frustrated with Dye, I am too.

 

But it's not even halfway thru May, we are 24 and whatever, and Dye is a proven major league veteran.

 

Why start the major league service time clock with Brian Anderson until it's necessary to do so?  Also, he's been striking out a lot in Charlotte, 33 times in 105 at bats, something like that.  He clearly has things to work on at the plate.

 

Guillen talked today about how important chemistry is to this team.  Yanking out a veteran and replacing him with a rookie when your team has had an awesome start, I think that might negatively affect the chemistry, don't you?

 

Again, I understand some frustration with Dye but a bigger picture view is in order.

 

 

Now i am not saying that as of now I'm for doing this, nor am I saying these two guys were considered the same prospect-wise, but just remember what Miguel Cabrera did for the Marlins in 2003.