LowerCaseRepublican Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/s/krwashbureau/...intelligence_wa WASHINGTON - A highly classified British memo, leaked in the midst of Britain's just-concluded election campaign, indicates that President Bush decided to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein by summer 2002 and was determined to ensure that U.S. intelligence data supported his policy. The document, which summarizes a July 23, 2002, meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair with his top security advisers, reports on a visit to Washington by the head of Britain's MI-6 intelligence service. The visit took place while the Bush administration was still declaring to the American public that no decision had been made to go to war. "There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable," the MI-6 chief said at the meeting, according to the memo. "Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD," weapons of mass destruction. The memo said "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 UH OH!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted May 11, 2005 Author Share Posted May 11, 2005 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ May 11, 2005 -> 05:02 PM) UH OH!!!! ...and Clinton gets impeached for lying about a cum stain & a few BJ's. I wonder where the blowhard pundits' sense of righteous moral indignation is at with these sort of misdirections and deception coming out of Washington currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo/index.html Bush asked to explain UK war memo by 89 Democratic members of the U.S. Congress British officials did not dispute the document's authenticity, and Michael Boyce, then Britain's Chief of Defense Staff, told the paper that Britain had not then made a decision to follow the United States to war, but it would have been "irresponsible" not to prepare for the possibility. The White House has not yet responded to queries about the congressional letter, which was released on May 6. ... "While various individuals have asserted this to be the case before, including Paul O'Neill, former U.S. Treasury Secretary, and Richard Clarke, a former National Security Council official, they have been previously dismissed by your administration," the letter said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Our oh-so self-righteous President Bush Lied to America to get the war he wanted??? I'm shocked – shocked I tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 If they have it, and it isn't a forgery like half the crap they have thrown at this administration, throw the book at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Pre-meditated wars fit in well with this jack-off's "Culture of Life" platform, don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec159row2 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 big deal... what are we supposed to do put saddam back in charge? bush should have nuked the entire middle east from the mediterranean to pakistan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ May 11, 2005 -> 06:18 PM) ...and Clinton gets impeached for lying about a cum stain & a few BJ's. I wonder where the blowhard pundits' sense of righteous moral indignation is at with these sort of misdirections and deception coming out of Washington currently. They are probably the same place the liberal blowhards hid as their hero took money from Chinese nationals to influence the SEC and FTC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Hose Jon Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(sec159row2 @ May 12, 2005 -> 09:00 AM) big deal... what are we supposed to do put saddam back in charge? bush should have nuked the entire middle east from the mediterranean to pakistan... congradulations, that is the most ignorant statement i have heard all week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 When will you people learn that they ALL are a bunch of corrupt bastards, Democrats AND Republicans, liberals AND conservatives? It cracks me up all you people who "hate Bush" and "hate Clinton". THEY ALL DO IT. Our government sucks and will continue to suck as long as they cater to the highest bidder, whether it is in "America's best interest" or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec159row2 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(Pale Hose Jon @ May 12, 2005 -> 08:10 AM) congradulations, that is the most ignorant statement i have heard all week. thank-you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ May 12, 2005 -> 09:13 AM) When will you people learn that they ALL are a bunch of corrupt bastards, Democrats AND Republicans, liberals AND conservatives? It cracks me up all you people who "hate Bush" and "hate Clinton". THEY ALL DO IT. Our government sucks and will continue to suck as long as they cater to the highest bidder, whether it is in "America's best interest" or not. Yep, agree 100%. I'm railing on Bush because he's the guy in office. It wouldn't matter if some bleeding-heart liberal were in charge, he/she'd be just as ethically bankrupt as the conservatives. This country doesn't suck, but our leadership does, on almost every level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(Wong & Owens @ May 12, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) This country doesn't suck, but our leadership does, on almost every level. Right on. Power corrupts. It really does. I think these people all have the best of intentions when they get into politics, but then the money and the greed and the power gets to them, then it becomes a "how do I keep this power" type of thing rather then putting their constituents best interests at heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ May 12, 2005 -> 09:28 AM) Right on. Power corrupts. It really does. I think these people all have the best of intentions when they get into politics, but then the money and the greed and the power gets to them, then it becomes a "how do I keep this power" type of thing rather then putting their constituents best interests at heart. I think it mainly derives from the party system. We should have listened to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson--political parties are garbage. As Jefferson once said-- "If I should go to heaven but with a party, then I shall not go at all." (or something really close to that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 (edited) No respone from the White House yet. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5051400705.html There was, actually, very little coverage of the leaked memo anywhere in the U.S. press, with a couple of important exceptions. The New York Times, alertly, did a story right away from London on May 2, including some of the language from the memo and some reaction from Blair. The Knight Ridder news service distributed a story from Washington on May 6 putting the memo in the context of what official Washington had been saying at the time in 2002. It also quoted an unnamed "former senior U.S. official"" as describing the account of the senior British intelligence officer's visit to Washington as "an absolutely accurate description of what transpired." Last Thursday, the Los Angeles Times also contributed an article prepared in London and Washington headlined "Indignation Grows in U.S. Over British Prewar Document." None of these stories were on the front page. Even though it was late, The Post should have broken that pattern. How significant this memo may turn out to be is still to be determined. But the reaction to the failure to cover it, even with the hyperbole and worst assumptions about journalistic motives by some of the e-mailers, is understandable. It is a reminder of how powerfully the circumstances leading up to this war still reverberate within a sizable chunk of the population and why the press should not let go of any loose ends that may shed light on how this happened. Looks like the media has buried it. Edited May 15, 2005 by KipWellsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Not surprsing at all (if indeed the documents are authentic), given that Saddam repeatedly violated UN resolutions throughout the previous decade. It's a shame that the used the WMD excuse to try to win popular support, though. That said, I'm sure that the Iraqi people are glad that he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ May 15, 2005 -> 12:47 PM) Not surprsing at all (if indeed the documents are authentic), given that Saddam repeatedly violated UN resolutions throughout the previous decade. It's a shame that the used the WMD excuse to try to win popular support, though. That said, I'm sure that the Iraqi people are glad that he's gone. They defenitely are. Take it from someone who was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Yes, now to prove that George has any balls he'll be on to his next evil doer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 And this is exactly why I didn't get to wound up about this yet... Turns out that the article about the desicration of the Koran wasn't true. If the US media isn't jumping on this, they probably can't prove the story, or someone would be running this story. http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050515/...han_newsweek_dc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) And this is exactly why I didn't get to wound up about this yet... Turns out that the article about the desicration of the Koran wasn't true. If the US media isn't jumping on this, they probably can't prove the story, or someone would be running this story. http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050515/...han_newsweek_dc Interesting southsider, that's a weird way to show me that you have way too much faith in the American media. Edited May 16, 2005 by KipWellsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ May 15, 2005 -> 09:36 PM) Interesting southsider, that's a weird way to show me that you have way too much faith in the American media. The American media is way to worried about being the first to a story, and selling newspapers, vs being right. This has happened way too often lately for my tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Now it's all a lie by Newsweek. The apology, that is. The government cracked down on them and that's why they apologized. :rolly :rolly :rolly No matter what anyone does, us Americans are a bunch of f***tards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ May 16, 2005 -> 08:12 AM) Now it's all a lie by Newsweek. The apology, that is. The government cracked down on them and that's why they apologized. :rolly :rolly :rolly No matter what anyone does, us Americans are a bunch of f***tards. Some Muslims will always hate America, no matter what we do. f*** 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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