Whitewashed in '05 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Given he throws too many pitches and has a fairly large contract which I don't think he is worth, would you deal him? I am not too sure what we could get for him but could we get another good SP in his contract year as well as another RP? As long as we get someone who could replace him nicely for the rest of this season would you do it along with a RP? We do have Bmac waiting for a spot next season...just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 THe two teams that have had long itnerest are Arizona and FLorida who are both contenders so it's hard to imagine a fair trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 No major league team is going to trade a good SP and a good RP pitcher for a 45 year old Cuban pitcher with poor accuracy and an $8.5 Mil contract. Plus, why would you want to break up a starting rotation that currently has an ERA hovering around 3.00? I say we keep this 25 and 9 team together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 No major league team is going to trade a good SP and a good RP pitcher for a 45 year old Cuban pitcher with poor accuracy and an $8.5 Mil contract. Plus, why would you want to break up a starting rotation that currently has an ERA hovering around 3.00? I say we keep this 25 and 9 team together. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's only 33, dude. Didn't you check his birthdate at MLB.com? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 At the end of the year, perhaps a deal involving him and someone else to Texas for their kid that's stuck behind Tiexera... f***, what's his name, Adrian Gonzalez? Yeah, that's it. Well, that's what I'd like to see. And, if you can do it for about five million a year, get Garland re-upped. Off to bed and to listen to the new Dave CD (thanks Tom ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted May 12, 2005 Author Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 11, 2005 -> 09:59 PM) No major league team is going to trade a good SP and a good RP pitcher for a 45 year old Cuban pitcher with poor accuracy and an $8.5 Mil contract. Plus, why would you want to break up a starting rotation that currently has an ERA hovering around 3.00? I say we keep this 25 and 9 team together. No doubt about it, you have a good point about breaking the rotation up but am I the only one who is scared when its Counts time to pitch? Not only that but the way he and Duke have been throwing, given our situation with Takastu and Vizcaino our bullpen is going to get tired real fast if we have to use Hermy, Marte, and Pollitte all the time back to back with Duke and Count. We can't trust Cotts in close games and Takastu and Viz are terrible. Do you think acquiring a closer and an extra RP if needed would be all we need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I am in favor of keeping Count through the year. A lot of people seem to liek Adrian gonzalez but I'm not that impressed with him. Doesn't seem to have the power you'd want as a first-baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Who is going to want him? His salary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 12, 2005 -> 02:04 PM) At the end of the year, perhaps a deal involving him and someone else to Texas for their kid that's stuck behind Tiexera... f***, what's his name, Adrian Gonzalez? Yeah, that's it. Well, that's what I'd like to see. And, if you can do it for about five million a year, get Garland re-upped. Off to bed and to listen to the new Dave CD (thanks Tom ). Something like this makes perfect sense in my eyes. B-Mac will definitely be ready to join the rotation next season, trade Contreras for a guy like Gonzalez, or even possibly to Florida (considering they'll probably lose A.J Burnett) for Jason Stokes another good 1B Prospect. Of course this depends on what we do with Frank and Paulie heading into next season contract wise. But liked I've said before, get these young cheap guys who can produce into your lineup, you get more payroll flexibility, and it'll give us a greater chance to sign a big free agent like Billy Wagner if we don't trade for him at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(SuperSteve @ May 12, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) Who is going to want him? His salary? Considering how weak the SP FA market is going to be this off-season, I think if some team needs a spot in their rotation and is willing to take on Count's contract (or most of it), a deal could probably get done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Id say keep Contreras now because while we have the luxury of B-Mac, its very possible one of our starters get injured and than we would be screwed again. During the off season though id love for us to move him for a guy like adrian gonzalez and maybe we could get a bullpen arm too. If we traded him to Arizona that Lyon kid seems pretty good, but dont know anyone in their minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 They've been searching for a closer for a couple of years now so I don't think they'd move Lyon. Jose valverde who has struggled since the start of 04 and has been injured is a possibility but I think Florida would be more interested with Leiter and Burnett leaving after 05 and no arms in the minors really ready to compete on a contending team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Why does everyone want B-Mac up so quick?? He is having problems in AAA. He's serving up to many HR's. Let's not rush B-Mac. Also Contreras has done more than what many thought he would. I don't care if allows 1000 baserunners. If they don't score, don't matter to me. Like PK said, Beyond ugly. You're not going to have everyone in your staff who's perfect and let's no one on and only gives up 1 or 2 runs consistantly. If you're looking for that, give it up. I'd just let Contreras(who has proven to be 33) ride out his contract. Chances are you'll be able to resign him for a lot cheaper. Also, El Duque will probably retire at the end of his contract, which is perfect timing for BMac. Don't mess with the prospect. We have a great pitcher in the minors who still needs to develop. There is absolutely no reason to rush him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 AJ is going to make Contreras look real good this year. And we all know how stupid some teams can be while looking for pitching, even based off of one good year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Something like this makes perfect sense in my eyes. B-Mac will definitely be ready to join the rotation next season, trade Contreras for a guy like Gonzalez, or even possibly to Florida (considering they'll probably lose A.J Burnett) for Jason Stokes another good 1B Prospect. Of course this depends on what we do with Frank and Paulie heading into next season contract wise. But liked I've said before, get these young cheap guys who can produce into your lineup, you get more payroll flexibility, and it'll give us a greater chance to sign a big free agent like Billy Wagner if we don't trade for him at the deadline. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For once KW do the right thing and INK Burnett in the offseason, just think of our rotation in 06 Marky B Garica Burnett Garland B-mac Hernandez, we trade off as well.. for some MI help down the line.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ May 12, 2005 -> 11:45 PM) For once KW do the right thing and INK Burnett in the offseason, just think of our rotation in 06 Marky B Garica Burnett Garland B-mac Hernandez, we trade off as well.. for some MI help down the line.. Burnett is the MAJOR SP FA this off-season. Some team will offer him $12 million over 3 years I'm thinking. We won't get him, especially when we have 5 starters already, and B-Mac ready to fill in. More likely the increase in payroll is spent on a new closer, resigning Frank and Paulie, and raises for Crede and Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ May 11, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) I am in favor of keeping Count through the year. A lot of people seem to liek Adrian gonzalez but I'm not that impressed with him. Doesn't seem to have the power you'd want as a first-baseman. I'd take that guy stuck behind Thome though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 He does not cost the White Sox $8.5M. The NYY's contributed cash that reduces his salary by a mil in each of his remaining yr's on the contract. Some cash even went to reduce his rate in 2004 as well. The trade was made before the emergence of BMac. Now it makes Contra less valuable to the White Sox. Rather than count his wins I think teams will look at his loses. If he's got less than 5L by the break contending teams are going to want him. If that's the case the White Sox should be able to get good trade value for him. I wouldn't mind seeing the White Sox trade Contra for Huff near the deadline. This would assume then that Koney will walk. Tampa might be interested if the Sox throw in a mil or two towards Contra's 2006 salary. Getting his cost down to about $5M for the Rays. Huff would take Gload's spot on the bench & take over when Koney leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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