RockRaines Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 12, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) 2001- 2.66 era. (Long Relief/Spot Starter) 2002- 1.85 era. (Middle Relief/Setup Man) 2003- 2.48 era. (Setup Man) 2004- 3.69 era. (Closer) 9 BLSV out of 45 Opp. 2005- 4.05 era. (Closer) 4 BLSV out of 10 Opp. He's a great Setup Man but has had his struggles at closer. who cares, its not gonna happen, and arguing that Dotel would be an improvement over our set up men is useless. check out Cliff's Marte's and Hermy stats this year, unbelieveable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 12, 2005 -> 03:46 PM) who cares, its not gonna happen, and arguing that Dotel would be an improvement over our set up men is useless. check out Cliff's Marte's and Hermy stats this year, unbelieveable. Not to long ago people didn't want the ''gascan'' aka politte to enter the game at all. Others thought marte was entering the down side of his career. Many questioned how well hermanson could do also. So there was more than enough things to doubt about this pen. Would dotel be better than our current set-up man? Maybe, maybe not. Would he make the bullpen that much stronger? Um, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 If Crede puts up career numbers they will get a 3 yr deal done. He's just coming into arbitration & Boras is very limited there. It's after arbitration where he's likely gone. I don't see the need to trade for Dotel when Hermy is getting the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 12, 2005 -> 04:28 PM) If Crede puts up career numbers they will get a 3 yr deal done. He's just coming into arbitration & Boras is very limited there. It's after arbitration where he's likely gone. I don't see the need to trade for Dotel when Hermy is getting the job done. You don't see the need for a deeper bullpen? I am not talking about dotel closing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 The only way Beane lets Chavez go is if he finds out his previous production was a result of roids.....you know like Giambi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 You don't see the need for a deeper bullpen? I am not talking about dotel closing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not at the cost of Joe Crede (.294A. .355O, .450S, .804OPS). Just look at that OBP. We've been waiting for this for years & now it's finally emerged & for once early in the season. He's tied with Everett for 2nd in TB (49). I'm enjoying watching Joe play. Have you watched him in the field? When it comes to anything hit in front of him he is w/out question the best 3B in the league. His weakness has always been to his left & right & he looks even better this year in that regards as well. Is there a better 3B for turning the DP? He's making 400K in this his 6th year. Boras can't escape that fact either. Do we need Dotel? Pitches 1-15: Politte (26AB, .182O, .192S, .077A) D. Hermanson (45AB, .255O .289S. .222A) Luis Vizcaino (39AB, .268O .333S, .231A) S. Takatsu (25AB, .321O .720S .240A) Damaso Marte (31AB, .410O .355S .258A) Neal Cotts (24AB, .393O .417S .292A) Pitches 16-30: Neal Cotts (12AB, .143O, .000S, .000A) D. Hermanson (9AB, .200O, .222S, .111A) Cliff Politte (16AB, .235O .250S, .188A) Damaso Marte (20AB, .360O, .400S. .200A) S. Takatsu (10AB, .364O .900S, .300A) Luis Vizcaino (18AB, .455O .389S, .333A) Dotel 1-15: (27AB, .333O, .222S, .111A) 16-30: (15AB, .412O, .733S, .333A) Who is Dotel going to replace? Cotts? Neal is pitching much better of late. His era is better than 1/2 R lower than Dotel's. Certainly not Politte, or Hermy. Which leave Marte, Shingo, & Vizc. Marte's numbers are off his career avg's but he still has a 1.93ERA which means he's getting the outs when he needs them. Vizc is solid for 1 inning of work. Ozzie needs to stop using him more than that. You can make a strong argument to replace Shingo w Dotel but are you using Shingo in the trade to get Dotel? If so then maybe you can put together a pkg around Shingo to get Dotel. That would make sense. Maybe Beane would bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Chavez is extremely overpaid. He gets paid like a slugger, but he has never had a season with an OPS over .900. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Deal doesn't make sense for both team. The Sox would have to give up at least BMac or Sweeney and Anderson mixed in with a middle prospect. Oakland likes ripping teams off. If they don't, they don't make a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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