All nba defensive teams announced

[Jordan4life_2007]

First team=Duncan, Kg, Wallace, Bowen, Hughes....I have no problem with the first team.

 

 

Second team=Camby, Billups, Prince, Kirelinko, Kidd, Wade...I have no problem with this list except for Kidd and Wade. I don't think Kidd's defense was worthy of being on the 2nd team. His d slipped this year due to advancing age and injury. Wade? I mean c'mon, the guy is an awesome player. But all defensive 2nd team? I feel Hinrich was robbed. He's more worthy of 2nd team defense than Kidd or Wade.

[qwerty]

I have a problem with one of the biggest gamblers in the nba making first team all defensive but what you gonna do.

Edited May 13, 2005 by qwerty

[SleepyWhiteSox]

The first-team was about what I had in mind, and Hughes doesn't gamble as much as some people want to say...

 

Hinrich isn't an elite defender, plain and simple. I'm a Hinrich fan, and he's a good team defender, but just about any top-tier guard can take him one-on-one. Wade's quickness and strength make him a good defender, contrary to this board's opinions, but I also was not expecting to see him make it. Kidd was injured. That didn't make sense...

[flippedoutpunk]

What kind of Ben Gordon haters vote for these things anyways!??!

[Jordan4life_2007]

The first-team was about what I had in mind, and Hughes doesn't gamble as much as some people want to say...

 

Hinrich isn't an elite defender, plain and simple.  I'm a Hinrich fan, and he's a good team defender, but just about any top-tier guard can take him one-on-one.  Wade's quickness and strength make him a good defender, contrary to this board's opinions, but I also was not expecting to see him make it.  Kidd was injured.  That didn't make sense...

 

 

Hinrich is an elite defender among pg's. And he played better defense this year than Kidd, and is a much better defender than Dwane Wade.

[Palehosefan]

I told you guys Wade was a good defender. This now proves it.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Hinrich is an elite defender among pg's.  And he played better defense this year than Kidd,  and is a much better defender than Dwane Wade.

 

Arenas' game-winner is still fresh on my mind...

 

I just wouldn't call him better than Wade. He's great within the team defense. I don't know, I guess everyone is going to have their opinion.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Arenas' game-winner is still fresh on my mind...

 

I just wouldn't call him better than Wade.  He's great within the team defense.  I don't know, I guess everyone is going to have their opinion.

 

 

Fair enough. I think it won't be long before Hinrich starts making those teams annually.

[hammerhead johnson]

I have a problem with one of the biggest gamblers in the nba making first team all defensive but what you gonna do.

 

I have a huge problem with Larry Hughes being on there.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I have a huge problem with Larry Hughes being on there.

 

He took the steals crown. After that, I had a good feeling he'd be first-team.

 

Last I checked, steals are a part of defense, and he isn't the first nor will he be the last steals leader to get First-Team Defensive.

 

Is he an amazing lock-down SG? Nope. Being the steals leader made him a default 1st-teamer.

[hammerhead johnson]

The first-team was about what I had in mind, and Hughes doesn't gamble as much as some people want to say...

 

Hinrich isn't an elite defender, plain and simple.  I'm a Hinrich fan, and he's a good team defender, but just about any top-tier guard can take him one-on-one.  Wade's quickness and strength make him a good defender, contrary to this board's opinions, but I also was not expecting to see him make it.  Kidd was injured.  That didn't make sense...

 

Hughes and Wade are nothing special. They'll never be known as good defensive players. There's no upside. They're competent, that's it. If you're capable of scoring 20+ points per game, mere competence on D is good enough.

 

Hinrich is an above average defender. I admire his work ethic. However, you can forget about 1st or 2nd team defense. Well, actually, as long as we have a bunch of motherf***ing retards voting on this s***, maybe you will see his name mentioned at some point.

[qwerty]

The first-team was about what I had in mind, and Hughes doesn't gamble as much as some people want to say...

 

Hinrich isn't an elite defender, plain and simple.  I'm a Hinrich fan, and he's a good team defender, but just about any top-tier guard can take him one-on-one.  Wade's quickness and strength make him a good defender, contrary to this board's opinions, but I also was not expecting to see him make it.  Kidd was injured.  That didn't make sense...

 

Wizards fans say he is one of the biggest gamblers in the league. That also seems to be the general consensus about his defense.

 

Um, hinrich shut both arenas and hughes done for the playoff series. Both of them can also run faster than hinrich.

 

Arenas shot 37.3% for the series, and hughes 40.1%, which aren't exactly stellar fg%. Arenas had 19.7 fga/game and hughes was at 19.5 fga/game, and if you shoot that much over the course of a game you're bound to score points.

 

This post is coming from someone that is not a bulls fan by the way.

 

Hinrich is one of the best positional defending guards that I have seen in a long time.

 

That said, he isn't your traditional lock-down defender when discussing good defenders. He has shown some flashes of being able to lock down guys on certain possessions, but that is about all.

 

Hinrich excels at funneling opposing guards toward his big men, forcing people to go to their off hand, and always getting a hand up to force a tougher shot (whereas most players only get their hands up when they think they have an opportunity for a block). His footwork is his best ally in fighting thru screens and staying in front of his man without being one of the quickest guys in the league (although I think Hinrich's quickness is very underrated myself).

 

Hinrich still gambles for steals and bodies up people too far out on the perimeter which has lead to some foul problems in his young career. He needs to learn when to back off and when to press and he will continue to grow in his defensive game, as well as stay on the floor especially in the first halves of games when the ref's whistles tend to blow more often.

 

Despite being a bit undersized, I feel Hinrich guards the SG position the best. He does not get faked out by moves very often, and there aren't many guys who are tall enough and good enough shooters to simply shoot over him from the perimeter all day. As he gains more leg strength, the size advantage opposing guards may have can be neutralized once he can battle with larger players in the post. That said, opposing teams really have not taken advantage of this flaw in the Chicago defensive scheme outside of Boston and New Jersey.

 

What does it say when allen iverson, one of the best scorers in the league says hinrich is the best defender in the last several years? Some of the best defenders banks, watson, hunter, and snow are like like hinrich, not flashy but get the job done.

 

About that arenas shot.

 

Arenas went 5-14 from the field that game. He's just a very good player who hit a clutch shot with some great defense in his face ( both hinrich and chandler who just missed it).

 

The Bulls were 3rd in the league when it came to per for opposing sg's during the regular season. Hinrich was the primary sg defender for the bulls. Wonder what that means?

Edited May 13, 2005 by qwerty

[Jordan4life_2007]

Thanks, Qwerty. That supports my opinion. Hinrich got SCREWED!

[qwerty]

Larry hughes is way out of his league on that 1st team. Duncan, wallace, garnett and bowen.. then hughes, haha. The 2nd team guards aren't really much better though, there aren't too many well known elite defending guards right now. It'll take guys like iguodala and hinrich some time to work their way up to where they can make the 2nd or 1st team over guys like Kidd, who gets by solely on reputation nowadays. Iverson has a very good case too.

 

Man, wade doesn't even guard the best guard/small forward on the team, EDDIE JONES DOES. But he is some how on the second team for guarding lesser talented shooters? I don't undertstand. Kidd's defense is no longer worthy of this selection do to him losing a step, either is payton, nba finally learned that with him.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

The Bulls were 3rd in the league when it came to per for opposing sg's during the regular season. Hinrich was the primary sg defender for the bulls. Wonder what that means?

 

It means the Bulls are a good defensive team, and Hinrich plays well within a team defense. But like I said before, he isn't as lock-down as you're trying to make him out to be.

 

The quote you provided from that garbage site you frequent, bbbb or whatever, basically agrees with me.

 

"That said, he isn't your traditional lock-down defender when discussing good defenders. He has shown some flashes of being able to lock down guys on certain possessions, but that is about all."

 

All you did was repeat what I said, but just made it a lot longer...

 

Re-read my post. Here's a quick excerpt of the point that I made: I'm a Hinrich fan, and he's a good team defender, but just about any top-tier guard can take him one-on-one.

Edited May 13, 2005 by SleepyWhiteSox

[whitesoxfan99]

Re-read my post.  Here's a quick excerpt of the point that I made:  I'm a Hinrich fan, and he's a good team defender, but just about any top-tier guard can take him one-on-one.

 

To be fair to Hinrich who I wouldn't classify as an elite defender just yet, just about any top tier guard can take just about any other player in the NBA one on one. Only the very special defensive players like Jordan and Pippen in their primes can contain guys one on one.

[hammerhead johnson]

I'm just heated that Iggy wasn't on the 1st or 2nd team.

 

Otherwise, most of my guys are there. Duncan, Garnett, Big Ben, Bowen, Camby, Prince, and Kirilenko. :salivating

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I'm just heated that Iggy wasn't on the 1st or 2nd team.

 

Otherwise, most of my guys are there.  Duncan, Garnett, Big Ben, Bowen, Camby, Prince, and Kirilenko.  :salivating

 

He's a rookie. We all know he'll get his in due time.

 

Will we ever see camby put together a healthy season?

[hammerhead johnson]

Will we ever see camby put together a healthy season?

 

I don't know, but the guy is a freaking beast. This is definitely long overdue (he never made 1st or 2nd team defense before).

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I don't know, but the guy is a freaking beast.  This is definitely long overdue (he never made 1st or 2nd team defense before).

 

I just have a lot of trouble handing out awards to a player who gets injured that much. He's injury-prone, and it makes him seem weak to me.

 

Missing games hurts your team. I like kirilenko (Will he turn out to be injury-prone?) more than camby...

[greasywheels121]

I don't know, but the guy is a freaking beast.  This is definitely long overdue (he never made 1st or 2nd team defense before).

 

I love Camby. My friend and I always have these seasons going on, on whatever the basketball game we're playing. We'll mix up the guards for each team, but Garnett and Camby are a mainstay on every team. We love their defense. We both have more fun getting blocks instead of dunks.

[qwerty]

It means the Bulls are a good defensive team, and Hinrich plays well within a team defense.  But like I said before, he isn't as lock-down as you're trying to make him out to be. 

 

The quote you provided from that garbage site you frequent, bbbb or whatever, basically agrees with me.

 

"That said, he isn't your traditional lock-down defender when discussing good defenders. He has shown some flashes of being able to lock down guys on certain possessions, but that is about all."

 

All you did was repeat what I said, but just made it a lot longer...

 

Re-read my post.  Here's a quick excpert of the point that I made:  I'm a Hinrich fan, and he's a good team defender, but just about any top-tier guard can take him one-on-one.

 

Garbage site because very few people agree with you? This is a garbage site too because basically no one agrees with you then.

 

I believe he said... ''Hinrich is one of the best positional defending guards that I have seen in a long time.'' ... ''I feel Hinrich guards the SG position the best.''

 

Missed that i take it.

 

Arenas is not a top tier guard? Hinrich doesn't hold guards through out the year to a very low percentage? Why don't you see what the kobe's, iverson's and tmac's have shot off of him this year? He is much more than a good team defender he is a great man on man defender. To say he is not one of the top five is ludicrous.

 

Because iggy is a rookie should not mean he doesnt make it. If you are arguably the best perimeter defender in the league you should get your respect if you are 19 or 39. The nba goes strickly by reputation at ths point and it is sickening.

 

Anyway, go ahead and think hinrich is not one of the best man on man defenders, you will just be in the vast minority. Then again huges = god defensively to you so what you gonna do.

Edited May 13, 2005 by qwerty

[hammerhead johnson]

I just have a lot of trouble handing out awards to a player who gets injured that much.  He's injury-prone, and it makes him seem weak to me.

 

Missing games hurts your team.  I like kirilenko (Will he turn out to be injury-prone?) more than camby...

 

Kirilenko is so devastating on D that it's hard to put into words. He's the only dominant perimiter defender that I know of in the current NBA that can also play PF. Dude is just an absolute freak.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Garbage site because very few people agree with you?  This is a garbage site too because basically no one agrees with you then.

 

No, it's garbage because I took a look at it, saw a bunch of high-schoolers posting ridiculous garbage without facts to base it on, saw some of the dumbest basketball opinions, and also noticed that you get a lot of your opinions from the site, which wasn't surprising.

 

I believe he said... ''Hinrich is one of the best positional defending guards that I have seen in a long time.'' ... ''I feel Hinrich guards the SG position the best.''

 

Missed that i take it.

 

"That said, he isn't your traditional lock-down defender when discussing good defenders. He has shown some flashes of being able to lock down guys on certain possessions, but that is about all."

 

Can you read?

 

Arenas is not a top tier guard? Hinrich doesn't hold guards through out the year to a very low percentage? Why don't you see what the kobe's, iverson's and tmac's have shot off of him this year? He is much more than a good team defender he is a great man on man defender. To say he is not one of the top five is ludicrous.

 

Because iggy is a rookie should not mean he doesnt make it. If you are arguably the best perimeter defender in the league you should get your respect if you are 19 or 39. The nba goes strickly by reputation at ths point and it is sickening.

 

Rookies have to earn it. The NBA does go by reputation. That's how it is, and I was simply stating that, so don't be upset with me about it.

 

Anyway, go ahead and think hinrich is not one of the best man on man defenders, you will just be in the vast minority. Then again huges = god defensively to you so what you gonna do.

 

LEARN TO READ

He took the steals crown.  After that, I had a good feeling he'd be first-team.

 

Last I checked, steals are a part of defense, and he isn't the first nor will he be the last steals leader to get First-Team Defensive.

 

Is he an amazing lock-down SG?  Nope.  Being the steals leader made him a default 1st-teamer.

Edited May 13, 2005 by SleepyWhiteSox

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Kirilenko is so devastating on D that it's hard to put into words.  He's the only dominant perimiter defender that I know of in the current NBA that can also play PF.  Dude is just an absolute freak.

 

Feels weird when we agree...