NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 14, 2005 -> 08:46 PM) Any 1B with good range woulda had that ball. Its not about range dude. He had all of .1 second to react to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 14, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) Its not about range dude. He had all of .1 second to react to that. You're right Paulie can do no wrong ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 14, 2005 -> 08:48 PM) You're right Paulie can do no wrong ever. You're in chat enough to know that I give Paulie all kinds of s*** for not hitting. That comment is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 15, 2005 -> 02:43 AM) Did you watch the game. Major leaguers do not throw more than 3 pitchers over the head of batters. This is not an isolated experience, he has a problem throwing strikes. He has 7 walks in 11 innings. Yeah, I did, and I thought Cotts looked like s***. And he's wild, I agree. But he's got it done so far this year in limited work (until tonight), jumping all over him for this is just silly. And saying it's his 3rd season, c'mon. He barely pitched 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 14, 2005 -> 09:49 PM) You're in chat enough to know that I give Paulie all kinds of s*** for not hitting. That comment is stupid. It's not you personally but it seems like Paulie gets a free pass for everything because he's been in Chicago a while. That was a fieldable ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 According to the scouting report on Freddy Pitching Garcia looked like an ace early in his career but was disappointing for Seattle in 2002 and '03. He turned himself around in early '04, using one of the majors' best collection of quality pitches-a 92-93 MPH fastball, a good two-seamer, a quality changeup and both a curveball and slider-to frustrate hitters. He can struggle against lineups stacked with lefthanded batters, but was almost as tough on them as righthanded batters last year. Few pitchers are as durable as Garcia. Where is the velocity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 15, 2005 -> 02:47 AM) He's been out of it ever since he took that tough loss when we had half the team hurt. He needs to wake the hell up cause right now he's the weakest link. See, I just don't know how everyone else sees inside players' heads. Do they sell special tvs w/ that feature? He's had a couple bad outings in a row. One rough, this one total garbage. That's all I see, and I know he's been inconsistent his whole career. So why is this such a shock to everyone? Why do we have people calling for him to be traded? Everyone'll have their turn as the "weakest link". As great as Garland's been, he's not going 36-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 08:49 PM) Yeah, I did, and I thought Cotts looked like s***. And he's wild, I agree. But he's got it done so far this year in limited work (until tonight), jumping all over him for this is just silly. And saying it's his 3rd season, c'mon. He barely pitched 2 years ago. At what point do you learn how to throw strikes. Or how about when you throw it within 3 feet of the strikezone. Throwing pitches over peoples heads. Come on. He pulled this crap last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 14, 2005 -> 09:51 PM) According to the scouting report on Freddy Pitching Garcia looked like an ace early in his career but was disappointing for Seattle in 2002 and '03. He turned himself around in early '04, using one of the majors' best collection of quality pitches-a 92-93 MPH fastball, a good two-seamer, a quality changeup and both a curveball and slider-to frustrate hitters. He can struggle against lineups stacked with lefthanded batters, but was almost as tough on them as righthanded batters last year. Few pitchers are as durable as Garcia. Where is the velocity? He was throwing 95 and could pop it at 96 last year. He goes to the white sox it vanishes. That is why i want nothing to do with wagner. Edited May 15, 2005 by qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ May 15, 2005 -> 02:43 AM) I think there is reason to be concerned. The radar gun was off tonight but was it off five miles every fastball garcia threw? I sure as hell saw cabrera hitting 97-98 plenty of times tonight and all garcia could muster up was 90? His velocity is clearly not there and he is not gonna be nearly as good without it. His velocity may be down, I don't really know what his pattern is there, and I wasn't really watching today. But I'm pretty sure Cabrera throws it harder, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) His velocity may be down, I don't really know what his pattern is there, and I wasn't really watching today. But I'm pretty sure Cabrera throws it harder, anyway. Cabrera sucks balls. All it took to get to him was Pods getting on base. We shoulda won this game easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 15, 2005 -> 02:54 AM) At what point do you learn how to throw strikes. Or how about when you throw it within 3 feet of the strikezone. Throwing pitches over peoples heads. Come on. He pulled this crap last year. Do you expect a bullpen full of Radkes? Yeah, he's wild. If we were discussing the rock of the bullpen, I'd worry, but we're talking about the little used long guy. This is manageable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ May 14, 2005 -> 10:31 PM) It's times like these I'm glad that Nuke doesn't have access to guns......... It's times like these I'm glad that Nuke doesn't have access to a watertower or book depository. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) Do you expect a bullpen full of Radkes? Yeah, he's wild. If we were discussing the rock of the bullpen, I'd worry, but we're talking about the little used long guy. This is manageable. I'm not too worried about cocks but he defenitely was left out there too long. Oz and Garcia musta been smoking the wacky weed before the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 15, 2005 -> 02:59 AM) Cabrera sucks balls. All it took to get to him was Pods getting on base. We shoulda won this game easily. Maybe so, but that's cuz he's got no control, not b/c his stuff is bad. A butterfly flapping its wings in Tokyo could get to Cabrera in the Cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 15, 2005 -> 03:02 AM) I'm not too worried about cocks but he defenitely was left out there too long. Oz and Garcia musta been smoking the wacky weed before the game. Yeah, I agree w/ that. I'm surprised he stayed in so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 09:02 PM) Maybe so, but that's cuz he's got no control, not b/c his stuff is bad. A butterfly flapping its wings in Tokyo could get to Cabrera in the Cell. I thought it was kickass that Pods got 2 hits that traveled a combined total of 10 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 10:01 PM) Do you expect a bullpen full of Radkes? Yeah, he's wild. If we were discussing the rock of the bullpen, I'd worry, but we're talking about the little used long guy. This is manageable. Cotts is supposedly the long reliever yet he comes in with a jam when the game was tied? What am i not understanding? Edit: Oops orioles were up one. Edited May 15, 2005 by qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 11:02 PM) A butterfly flapping its wings in Tokyo could get to Cabrera in the Cell. I found that butterfly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 09:04 PM) Yeah, I agree w/ that. I'm surprised he stayed in so long. I'm not, in fact I called it in chat that Garcia was coming out for the 7th. Oz was trying to get him a win pure and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) Do you expect a bullpen full of Radkes? Yeah, he's wild. If we were discussing the rock of the bullpen, I'd worry, but we're talking about the little used long guy. This is manageable. Apples to Potatoes. I dont expect Cotts to be pinpoint control. But hey I do expect any reliever to do the following. Pitch ahead and stay ahead. Make them beat you. Dont walk the world. I need to add dont throw 3 pitches over their heads. When hitters see this and when umpires see this, the hitters might start to take pitches and umps might not give you anything close. Those were wild thing bad, not like he missed the strikezone within 3 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ May 15, 2005 -> 03:04 AM) Cotts is supposedly the long reliever yet he comes in with a jam when the game was tied? What am i not understanding? Edit: Oops orioles were up one. Well, Oz loves his lefty-lefty matchups, I guess. Cotts is the long guy, we just haven't needed a long guy much this season, and he is seldom used (obviously). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) Well, Oz loves his lefty-lefty matchups, I guess. Cotts is the long guy, we just haven't needed a long guy much this season, and he is seldom used (obviously). I dont buy this seldom used crap. He throws in the bullpen right, he gets his work in right. You are telling me the fact that he doesnt throw in a game for a week all of a sudden he forgets how to throw the ball within 3 feet of the plate. His pitches arent even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) Well, Oz loves his lefty-lefty matchups, I guess. Cotts is the long guy, we just haven't needed a long guy much this season, and he is seldom used (obviously). Lefties hit cotts better than righties but ozzie wouldn't know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 I don't understand why you guys are all up in arms.. This is Garica the pitcher..He have great games and then bad games..He is a fly ball pitcher, pitching in the Cell..Can you say not the greatest idea.. I bet you can.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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