GARCIA HAS NO BALLS!!!!!

[WHarris1]

Raffy is far better vs. RHP than LHP

[Guest JimH]

Lefties hit cotts better than righties but ozzie wouldn't know that.

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If that is indeed the case then the White Sox need another/different lefty reliever. Nothing against Cotts but let's get someone in here who has a good track record of getting lefthanded hitters out and can throw strikes.

 

Easier said than done of course ... but I have a feeling this is the first change or upgrade that KW is looking at. Problem is you have 25 other teams looking to do the same thing.

[jackie hayes]

Y'all must be joking.

 

Everyone says there will be rough patches, then after 1 f'n game, we're getting rid of our prize acquisition from last season and a reliever w/ a sub-4 era. 1 game, jeeeeeez.

 

Noone's taken "Judy" off their fav hot key, I hope.

[southsideirish71]

If that is indeed the case then the White Sox need another/different lefty reliever.  Nothing against Cotts but let's get someone in here who has a good track record of getting lefthanded hitters out and can throw strikes.

 

Easier said than done of course ... but I have a feeling this is the first change or upgrade that KW is looking at.  Problem is you have 25 other teams looking to do the same thing.

 

 

Cotts should of been down in AAA working on his control and a third pitch. Probably perfecting a cutter. Atkins should of been up with the team, he throws strikes. I know he isnt a lefty but Cotts doesnt get them out anyways. Viz has great splits against lefties. And marte has great splits against righties. Just because a guy has been given an left or right arm doesnt automatically make your matchups.

[southsideirish71]

Y'all must be joking.

 

Everyone says there will be rough patches, then after 1 f'n game, we're getting rid of our prize acquisition from last season and a reliever w/ a sub-4 era.  1 game, jeeeeeez.

 

Noone's taken "Judy" off their fav hot key, I hope.

 

 

So wait the 7 walks dont count because he only pitched 11 innings, but now his ERA come into play. He doesnt throw strikes, plain and simple. He comes in to face a lefty last week, walks the guy and gets pulled. Sure his ERA didnt go up, but did he even closely do his job.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I'll start to worry if Garcia starts to pitch poorly the next couple of games...

[Jabroni]

Cotts is all that is left from the craptacular trio from last year.  Cotts would walk a few guys on, Thriller would give up the runners, and Koch would stop all hope by giving up a home run in the 9th.  We would rally and go down by one run. 

 

HOW DOES COTTS NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL IN YEAR f***ING THREE.  YOU CANT THROW STRIKES RICKY VAUGHN MAYBE YOU NEED GLASSES.

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Ricky Vaughn without a good fastball.

[Guest JimH]

Here is my take on Cotts.

 

He didn't get the job done tonite but a couple of the hits were bloops. His wildness continues to be cause for concern, but those making the point he's seldom used have validity.

 

If at all possible, Guillen needs to pitch him as much as possible the rest of this month. His role on this team is lefty specialist at the moment, he is not the long guy or mop up guy, Kevin Walker is.

 

The White Sox need to know if Cotts can be counted on to contribute in 2005. He has potential but this team is off to a huge start and has a 6 game lead on a very good Minnesota team. Sox are in "go for it" mode. This is not the time to be wondering what they have in a young pitcher.

 

If he needs more seasoning or he has other issues, send him down and let him pitch consistently in Charlotte. If he shows he can work things out, great.

 

Whether it's fair or not, this team has little room for a growing pains guy, we are not the KC Royals this year. He needs to do the job and exhibit better control, and fairly quickly. He does not have an established track record and should have a shorter leash. It's not fair but when you are a pennant contender sometimes the personnel decisions aren't fair.

[southsideirish71]

Here is my take on Cotts.

 

He didn't get the job done tonite but a couple of the hits were bloops.  His wildness continues to be cause for concern, but those making the point he's seldom used have validity.

 

If at all possible, Guillen needs to pitch him as much as possible the rest of this month.  His role on this team is lefty specialist at the moment, he is not the long guy or mop up guy, Kevin Walker is.

 

The White Sox need to know if Cotts can be counted on to contribute in 2005.  He has potential but this team is off to a huge start and has a 6 game lead on a very good Minnesota team.  Sox are in "go for it" mode.  This is not the time to be wondering what they have in a young pitcher.

 

If he needs more seasoning or he has other issues, send him down and let him pitch consistently in Charlotte.  If he shows he can work things out, great.

 

Whether it's fair or not, this team has little room for a growing pains guy, we are not the KC Royals this year.  He needs to do the job and exhibit better control, and fairly quickly.  He does not have an established track record and should have a shorter leash.  It's not fair but when you are a pennant contender sometimes the personnel decisions aren't fair.

 

Scouting report on Cotts

 

While Neal Cotts spent the full season in the big leagues, it was hardly a total success. Ozzie Guillen liked the way Cotts took his lumps and still wanted the ball, but he was hit harder than the White Sox had imagined a year ago, when he was dominating Double-A hitters. Cotts was scored on in 26 of his 56 outings as a long and middle reliever. He gave up one homer every five innings, including nine longballs away from hitter-friendly U.S. Cellular Field.

 

Pitching & Defense

A starter his whole career, Cotts struggled last year to set up his changeup, his best pitch. His fastball doesn't get much above 90 and his deceptive motion was not a big issue for lefthanded batters, who hit him surprisingly hard. Cotts was up with too many pitches last season, allowing more homers than he had in his minor-league career. He needs to work on his move to first base as he was easy to run on a year ago.

 

2005 Outlook

Cotts figures to return to the White Sox' bullpen in a secondary role. He needs to improve his command if he is to get consideration for a spot in the starting rotation, which once seemed to be his destiny.

[3E8]

What pissed me off most about Garcia is that after he's blown a 3-run lead and things look like they aren't going to get any better for him, Ozzie has a little chat with him and suddenly he's lights out, just like that.

 

I mean, what the f*** man. Keep up your intensity and focus the entire game. You only do this every five days. Ozzie shouldn't have to come out for you to get your ass back in gear.

 

As for him starting the 7th, utter stupidity. Let's allow their best hitters to get a FOURTH look at him when he's over 100 pitches and we have plenty of fresh arms in the pen. f***ing irritates me that we have a game like this with the chance to go 7 up on the Twins.

Edited May 15, 2005 by 3E8

[jackie hayes]

I dont buy this seldom used crap.  He throws in the bullpen right, he gets his work in right.  You are telling me the fact that he doesnt throw in a game for a week all of a sudden he forgets how to throw the ball within 3 feet of the plate.  His pitches arent even close.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. If you don't pitch often, you have a guaranteed right to pitch like s*** every time out, w/o consequences.

 

Use yr head. Every bullpen has some pitchers who aren't as good as others. That's a consequence of not spending bajillions on a bullpen. Or just chance -- ask the Phils how their bullpen spending has worked out for them. The ones who are not as good get used less.

 

I said, Cotts looked like crap -- tonight. Are you saying he's looked this bad every outing this year? Or that he obviously is permanently awful b/c of 1 game?

[qwerty]

If that is indeed the case then the White Sox need another/different lefty reliever.  Nothing against Cotts but let's get someone in here who has a good track record of getting lefthanded hitters out and can throw strikes.

 

Easier said than done of course ... but I have a feeling this is the first change or upgrade that KW is looking at.  Problem is you have 25 other teams looking to do the same thing.

 

.269 verse lefties and .247 verse righties. Neither is very dominating but for the lefty specialist ( should be vizcaino have said that for months) it is disgusting.

 

What i would do if we could get a lefty that can get left handers out. Since ozzie cannot see that is what vizcaino does best.

[Jabroni]

Any 1B with good range woulda had that ball.

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Wow. That ball was hammered.

[WHarris1]

Wow.  That ball was hammered.

Which is why it stopped rolling a good 15 yards infront of Dye.

And Paulie didn't dive.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Maybe playing against the top offensive team in baseball contributed to the pitching woes...

 

Just a thought.

[Dick Allen]

His velocity may be down, I don't really know what his pattern is there, and I wasn't really watching today.  But I'm pretty sure Cabrera throws it harder, anyway.

 

The gun at USCF had Cabrera at 95 most of the night, and Garcia between 91 and 93. Freddy's not pitching in Seattle anymore, his ERA is going to go up, but he'll be alright. He's better than he pitched tonight. When Cotts has control he is tough. Unfortunately he rarely has control, and its not going to come to him pitching every 8th or 9th day. IMO Walker is a waste of a roster spot.

Edited May 15, 2005 by Dick Allen

[GoodAsGould]

While this game was hard to watch.... We have to remember we are still 27-10 and in position to take 3 out of 4 from one of the hottest teams in baseball besides us.

 

 

And to add in all the hate, I think the biggest mistake of the game was when Cora sent Konerko home... that was just dumb, i understand Cora is aggressive but that was more dumb than aggressive.

[qwerty]

The gun at USCF had Cabrera at 95 most of the night, and Garcia between 91 and 93. Freddy's not pitching in Seattle anymore, his ERA is going to go up, but he'll be alright. He's better than he pitched tonight. When Cotts has control he is tough. Unfortunately he rarely has control, and its not going to come to him pitching every 8th or 9th day.

 

Garcia was just hitting 89-90 all night. Hawk and d.j. even mentioned it. Because they were saying don't get garcia mad because he will pop one at 93. Wo0t.

[3E8]

While this game was hard to watch.... We have to remember we are still 27-10 and in position to take 3 out of 4 from one of the hottest teams in baseball besides us.

And to add in all the hate, I think the biggest mistake of the game was when Cora sent Konerko home... that was just dumb, i understand Cora is aggressive but that was more dumb than aggressive.

I felt so embarassed for PK when he made a weak attempt to bowl over Javy and then got his ass forced into the dirt full extension.

[Dick Allen]

While this game was hard to watch.... We have to remember we are still 27-10 and in position to take 3 out of 4 from one of the hottest teams in baseball besides us.

And to add in all the hate, I think the biggest mistake of the game was when Cora sent Konerko home... that was just dumb, i understand Cora is aggressive but that was more dumb than aggressive.

 

Joey has to quit waving guys in who are out by 40 feet. That was ridiculous. Sending Garcia out in the 7th was a bonehead move. Only having Cotts warm up left me scratching my head. Vizcaino has appeared in 12 games coming into tonight. He seemed like he was in every game the first 2 weeks of the season, but has rarely pitched recently. Politte and Marte should be well rested. Use the bullpen.

[southsideirish71]

Maybe playing against the top offensive team in baseball contributed to the pitching woes...

 

Just a thought.

 

That and getting pitches up and not making smart pitch selections did more to do in Garcia than the offense. You cant make mistakes against a team like that. Last game Garcia had two times where he had 0-2 on a hitter and got too much of the plate and got hurt. Its about pitching smart and hitting your spots. Garcia for whatever reason has decided to become a curveball pitcher. When he came to the sox last year he was throwing a heavy fastball and using it to setup his strikeout pitch. This year he is using his curve for strike one more instead of using it to get the out. Its very similiar to what we complain about contreras. Contreras is filthy when he uses his 95mph fastball to setup his forkball and not the other way around. Hopefully Freddy gets it together for his next start.

[3E8]

Oh and to answer everyone's question, Garcia's fastball dipped below 90 regularly when it became his second or third pitch. This was when he put on the Sox uni.

[southsideirish71]

Joey has to quit waving guys in who are out by 40 feet. That was ridiculous. Sending Garcia out in the 7th was a bonehead move. Only having Cotts warm up left me scratching my head. Vizcaino has appeared in 12 games coming into tonight. He seemed like he was in every game the first 2 weeks of the season, but has rarely pitched recently. Politte and Marte should be well rested. Use the bullpen.

 

Joey has to realize who is running and what is their real chance at scoring. If the throw beats the guy by like 6-10 feet and they are waiting for him then its a real bad move.

[Dick Allen]

Maybe Freddy's inner ear infection has returned.

[southsideirish71]

Maybe Freddy's inner ear infection has returned.

Did you say Beer infection?