aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Quit making excuses for Cotts, he can't get the job done, BOTTOM LINE. Get him OUT of here. We've all seen enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 16, 2005 -> 02:31 PM) Quit making excuses for Cotts, he can't get the job done, BOTTOM LINE. Get him OUT of here. We've all seen enough. Oh, well now I'm convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Is there an available stat on inherited runners that were allowed to score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 16, 2005 -> 10:35 AM) Oh, well now I'm convinced. Lol, what exactly does he bring to the team besides pissing down his leg in any clutch situation? He's been horrible since the minute he got here in the NY debut. He can't get out lefties. He can't strand runners. He sure as hell can't make a spot start if needed. I remember when he tried that last year, same result as usual when he starts. Most of the times he can't throw strikes. His control is questionable at best. His "sneaky" fastball isn't sneaking up on anyone. He sure looked good the past two games. Now come on, as Tony Kornheiser would say, DEFEND YOUR BOY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Is it safe to assume that control will never just magically appear in Neal's repertoire? Because this is what we have to go on: 2005: 6 BB per 9 IP 2004: 4.5 BB per 9 IP 2003: 13 BB per 9 IP And I know that his BB/IP ratio in the minors is pretty far from impressive. When you're walking people, you're getting killed. No exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 The past 2 games haven't helped Freddy and Neal round here that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 16, 2005 -> 10:45 AM) Is it safe to assume that control will never just magically appear in Neal's repertoire? He's never had control. You knew we were getting another fringe major leaguer when we traded with Billy Beane. His control might be worse than Botch's. And at least William Koch admitted that he sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Anyone got a stat on how many of Neal's pitches have been balls, and how many of them have been strikes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 16, 2005 -> 10:51 AM) Anyone got a stat on how many of Neal's pitches have been balls, and how many of them have been strikes? Andrew, don't you realize that there are no stats that can cover up Kotts's shortcomings. I'm just glad you are sensible enough to not defend this slug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 17, 2005 -> 12:52 AM) Andrew, don't you realize that there are no stats that can cover up Kotts's shortcomings. I'm just glad you are sensible enough to not defend this slug. LOL, I'm just asking. He's been getting crucified around here though, and it seems that those who have been sitting on the fence with him, have jumped overboard. But I guess one question I'm going to ask, is if you're going to criticize Neal so much, why not Luis? Why not Shingo? Those guys haven't exaclty set the world on fire either, it's not like Cotts is the only person in our pen who's been sucking it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 16, 2005 -> 10:55 AM) LOL, I'm just asking. He's been getting crucified around here though, and it seems that those who have been sitting on the fence with him, have jumped overboard. But I guess one question I'm going to ask, is if you're going to criticize Neal so much, why not Luis? Why not Shingo? Those guys haven't exaclty set the world on fire either, it's not like Cotts is the only person in our pen who's been sucking it up. Type up some threads on them and I'll jump in on those two. I was the one saying to get Shingo out of the closer's role after the 3rd game of the year and put in Hermanson and everyone was saying I was jumping to conclusions. It sure played out the correct way though. As far as Vizcaino goes, it's been a month and I can't really make a complete judgement on the guy. I've had to watch Cotts botch games since 2003 and I've seen enough. If Viz continues down his current path all season long, he'll be crushed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 16, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) Lol, what exactly does he bring to the team besides pissing down his leg in any clutch situation? He's been horrible since the minute he got here in the NY debut. He can't get out lefties. He can't strand runners. He sure as hell can't make a spot start if needed. I remember when he tried that last year, same result as usual when he starts. Most of the times he can't throw strikes. His control is questionable at best. His "sneaky" fastball isn't sneaking up on anyone. He sure looked good the past two games. Now come on, as Tony Kornheiser would say, DEFEND YOUR BOY. He didn't debut in NY. I know that's the style here, it's much cooler to proclaim early that someone is total garbage or the next Gagne. (How many fans did Politte and Hermanson have a few months ago?) But I'm not gonna do that. Honestly, I don't know how good he is, how good he will be. But I don't think a young pitcher being inconsistent is a rare thing. His splits against lefties are awful this year, agreed. (Why exactly is a lh changeup guy our lh specialist anyway?) He hasn't been great at stranding runners, but that doesn't mean he's been awful. His control is off, especially now. He throws those wacky pitches every once in a while, or keeps it high. That's something for the pitching coach to work on, not a sign that he'll never be any good. We're not talking about Rick Ankiel. And in terms of both control and stranding runners, Damaso's been just as bad or worse. What's his excuse, or should he go too? QP: Baseball Prospectus has some stats on this, link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 16, 2005 -> 10:58 AM) He didn't debut in NY. My bad, it was against Anaheim where he walked 6 guys in 2.1 innings. We knew we had a stud in the making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Here's Cotts' page on Baseball Propectus as well Jackie. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/cottsne01.shtml In the Translated Pitching Stats for 2005, 37 BB's, 35 K's, 5.67 ERA, but only 3 HR's given up for the year. Cotts has also had a little bit of bad luck with hits and runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 He was hard to defend last year when he had a 5.65 ERA over the ENTIRE season. Defend that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 17, 2005 -> 01:03 AM) My bad, it was against Anaheim where he walked 6 guys in 2.1 innings. We knew we had a stud in the making. Still his AA numbers before that were hard to shy away from. And right now if he had those numbers 2 years later, he wouldn't have been in the majors like he was back then, which is a perfect example of why B-Mac should not be promoted right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 17, 2005 -> 01:05 AM) He was hard to defend last year when he had a 5.65 ERA over the ENTIRE season. Defend that! He gave up way too many homers for a reliever last season. At least that's one aspect of his pitching thus far that has improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 16, 2005 -> 11:07 AM) He gave up way too many homers for a reliever last season. At least that's one aspect of his pitching thus far that has improved. He's switched the homers into singles and doubles. BTW, his career numbers are a 5.78 ERA in 90 innings with 54 walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 17, 2005 -> 01:08 AM) He's switched the homers into singles and doubles. BTW, his career numbers are a 5.78 ERA in 90 innings with 54 walks. Hey at least the Smallball Theory is working right!!!??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 16, 2005 -> 11:13 AM) Hey at least the Smallball Theory is working right!!!??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 I'm gonna bet that Aboz doesn't get any good interviews while visiting the minors this year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 16, 2005 -> 08:58 AM) He didn't debut in NY. I know that's the style here, it's much cooler to proclaim early that someone is total garbage or the next Gagne. (How many fans did Politte and Hermanson have a few months ago?) But I'm not gonna do that. Honestly, I don't know how good he is, how good he will be. But I don't think a young pitcher being inconsistent is a rare thing. His splits against lefties are awful this year, agreed. (Why exactly is a lh changeup guy our lh specialist anyway?) He hasn't been great at stranding runners, but that doesn't mean he's been awful. His control is off, especially now. He throws those wacky pitches every once in a while, or keeps it high. That's something for the pitching coach to work on, not a sign that he'll never be any good. We're not talking about Rick Ankiel. And in terms of both control and stranding runners, Damaso's been just as bad or worse. What's his excuse, or should he go too? QP: Baseball Prospectus has some stats on this, link. This post makes my head hurt. I dont get the Cotts apologists at all. Especially after the gems he has put on the field over the last year. So let me get this straight. Its ok for a guy to come into a close game and launch a few pitches over the guys head, plunk a guy get behind hitters and then let the inheritted runners score or walk them. If that is the formula we should get Thriller or Koch back. They are both looking for jobs right now. He throws those wacky pitches every once in a while, or keeps it high. He throws these pitches with a few men on in a tight game. Do you really think after throwing the masterbator into the net he is going to get the close calls. He cant throw strikes. These are ankiel like pitches. Its not like he missed the corner or let one sail a bit. He rememinds me of the guy from Bull Durham. He doesnt look and just fires the ball. If he had any velocity I think he may kill someone. Maybe he can get his control. But the time to learn control is not in a major league game. Especially when the team is tryng to make the playoffs. I dont want this guy up when the game is on the line. Last year we jacked off trying to see if this experiment or that would work. And we dropped senseless games between the disaster at 5th starter and the Cotts, Thriller, Koch craptacular trio. Enough already lets get someone who can throw strikes and strand a few runners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ May 16, 2005 -> 11:15 AM) I'm gonna bet that Aboz doesn't get any good interviews while visiting the minors this year.. I'll get plenty of interviews, don't worry about me. Already got one lined up with Baj and I'll get B-Mac and Anderson as well. By the way, saying stuff like that doesn't help to get me to stop posting the truth. Sometimes it hurts. Don't try to threaten me getting no interviews in an effort to DEFEND your boy. If Neal Cotts can't take a little ripping on a message board, he's got a tough road ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 17, 2005 -> 01:15 AM) I dont want this guy up when the game is on the line. Last year we jacked off trying to see if this experiment or that would work. Enough already lets get someone who can throw strikes and strand a few runners. Most of the time, at least with Cotts when he's on in the 6th or 7th, at least the Sox can come back for a rally. Quite amazing his ERA hasn't changed this month either, it was down to 2.89 before the Tampa game. See this is what I don't like with all the Cotts bashing. Who are you going to call up to replace Neal Cotts? Jon Adkins? He's struggling starting down at Charlotte. Brandon McCarthy? Don't go there. Arnie Munoz? Still needs more time. Jeff Bajenaru? A righty, and his September stats from last season are still going to hang over him no matter how great he's pitched down in the minors over the past season and a half. Kevin Walker? Puh-lease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 16, 2005 -> 10:17 AM) I'll get plenty of interviews, don't worry about me. Already got one lined up with Baj and I'll get B-Mac and Anderson as well. By the way, saying stuff like that doesn't help to get me to stop posting the truth. Sometimes it hurts. Don't try to threaten me getting no interviews in an effort to DEFEND your boy. If Neal Cotts can't take a little ripping on a message board, he's got a tough road ahead. It was a joke. Defend MY boy...? Give me a f***ing break. Show me where I've made ONE SUPPORTING COMMENT of Neal's performance ON THE FIELD.. EVER??? Don't bother.. because you won't fine one. :dips***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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