GARCIA HAS NO BALLS!!!!!

[aboz56]

It was a joke.

 

Defend MY boy...? Give me a f***ing break. Show me where I've made ONE SUPPORTING COMMENT of Neal's performance ON THE FIELD.. EVER???

 

Don't bother.. because you won't fine one. :dips***.

If it was a joke, shoulda put it in green. Point taken.

[southsideirish71]

Most of the time, at least with Cotts when he's on in the 6th or 7th, at least the Sox can come back for a rally. Quite amazing his ERA hasn't changed this month either, it was down to 2.89 before the Tampa game.

 

See this is what I don't like with all the Cotts bashing. Who are you going to call up to replace Neal Cotts? Jon Adkins? He's struggling starting down at Charlotte. Brandon McCarthy. Don't go there. Arnie Munoz? Still needs more time. Jeff Bajenaru? A righty, and his September stats from last season are still going to hang over him no matter how great he's pitched down in the minors over the past season and a half.

 

His ERA doesnt change when he gives up someone elses runners who are on base. The guys coming out of the pen after a starter has come out are there to stop the bleeding or to keep the situation from becoming a disaster.

 

Cotts arm designation doesnt matter. He cant get lefties out so whats the point. You can replace him with a righty.

 

I would take Arnie against a lefty over Cotts. Baj at least throws strikes.

[jackie hayes]

This post makes my head hurt.  I dont get the Cotts apologists at all.  Especially after the gems he has put on the field over the last year. 

 

So let me get this straight.  Its ok for a guy to come into a close game and launch a few pitches over the guys head, plunk a guy get behind hitters and then let the inheritted runners score or walk them.  If that is the formula we should get Thriller or Koch back.  They are both looking for jobs right now.

 

He throws those wacky pitches every once in a while, or keeps it high.   

 

He throws these pitches with a few men on in a tight game.  Do you really think after throwing the masterbator into the net he is going to get the close calls.  He cant throw strikes.  These are ankiel like pitches.  Its not like he missed the corner or let one sail a bit.  He rememinds me of the guy from Bull Durham.  He doesnt look and just fires the ball.  If he had any velocity I think he may kill someone.  Maybe he can get his control.  But the time to learn control is not in a major league game.  Especially when the team is tryng to make the playoffs. I dont want this guy up when the game is on the line.  Last year we jacked off trying to see if this experiment or that would work.  And we dropped senseless games between the disaster at 5th starter and the Cotts, Thriller, Koch craptacular trio.  Enough already lets get someone who can throw strikes and strand a few runners.

Wait, wait, so what's your hobby again?

 

The point is, when he's not letting the ball go at a totally wrong place, he's not all over. Yesterday -- it was high, high, high... He's not lacking command entirely (see Daniel Cabrera). That's something a pitching coach can help w/.

 

Just f***ing stop trying to put words in my mouth. It's NOT okay to throw wildly. But s*** happens, pitchers have bad games and bad stretches, and they aren't always bad for the rest of their careers. Mind blowing concept.

 

From the posts I read, we should replace about half the pitching staff. Good God, people, do you have no memory of what a bad pitching staff is? It wasn't that long ago.

[Steff]

If it was a joke, shoulda put it in green.  Point taken.

 

 

 

Common sense escapes you in a comment from me... interesting.

[aboz56]

This is a classic thread. Thank you Nuke.

[DBAHO]

His ERA doesnt change when he gives up someone elses runners who are on base.  The guys coming out of the pen after a starter has come out are there to stop the bleeding or to keep the situation from becoming a disaster.

 

Cotts arm designation doesnt matter.  He cant get lefties out so whats the point.  You can replace him with a righty. 

 

I would take Arnie against a lefty over Cotts.  Baj at least throws strikes.

Munoz's stats down in Charlotte FWIW; 1-3, 5.04 ERA, 8 BB's, 24 K's.

 

And everyone, I'll just say to calm down a bit. This thread has had some real good discussion so far, and I don't want it to get to the stage where it has to be locked.

[aboz56]

Munoz's stats down in Charlotte FWIW; 1-3, 5.04 ERA, 8 BB's, 24 K's.

 

And everyone, I'll just say to calm down a bit. This thread has had some real good discussion so far, and I don't want it to get to the stage where it has to be locked.

No one is getting attacked at all. In fact it's been pretty good debate and hopefully it'll stay that way.

[Guest JimH]

I'd like to see Cotts get more regular work so they can make a determination of what he can contribute in 2005. Right now, he's not contributing as much as we'd like, or himself either.

 

Sox brass probably doesn't know if that's due to rust and if he maybe needs to just get in a groove.

 

If the only role they have for him right now is sporadic, then maybe he's best served in AAA for the time being. If he gets it together, great. He can come back later and contribute.

 

He's never been known as a control pitcher but intermittent use doesn't seem to help his ability to throw strikes. Either way, they need to figure out if they can depend on him ... or not.

[aboz56]

I'd like to see Cotts get more regular work so they can make a determination of what he can contribute in 2005.  Right now, he's not contributing as much as we'd like, or himself either.

 

Sox brass probably doesn't know if that's due to rust and if he maybe needs to just get in a groove.

 

If the only role they have for him right now is sporadic, then maybe he's best served in AAA for the time being.  If he gets it together, great.  He can come back later and contribute.

 

He's never been known as a control pitcher but intermittent use doesn't seem to help his ability to throw strikes.  Either way, they need to figure out if they can depend on him ... or not.

Great analysis as usual. I think he needs to be at AAA, hence all of my ripping on him. You don't try to figure out what you have with someone at the major league level in my opinion. We need reliable pitchers in the pen who can throw strikes and get people out, which Cotts has shown he can do neither over his 90 innings in his career.

[southsideirish71]

Wait, wait, so what's your hobby again?

 

The point is, when he's not letting the ball go at a totally wrong place, he's not all over.  Yesterday -- it was high, high, high...  He's not lacking command entirely (see Daniel Cabrera).  That's something a pitching coach can help w/.

 

Just f***ing stop trying to put words in my mouth.  It's NOT okay to throw wildly.  But s*** happens, pitchers have bad games and bad stretches, and they aren't always bad for the rest of their careers.  Mind blowing concept.

 

From the posts I read, we should replace about half the pitching staff.  Good God, people, do you have no memory of what a bad pitching staff is?  It wasn't that long ago.

 

But s*** happens, pitchers have bad games and bad stretches, and they aren't always bad for the rest of their careers. Mind blowing concept.

 

2005: 6 BB per 9 IP

2004: 4.5 BB per 9 IP

2003: 13 BB per 9 IP

 

My point is his wildness isnt something new. His biggest problem with his wildness is the fact that he looks for the plate late in the delivery and short arms the pitch. The pitch sails. Its fixable. But fix it in the minors and then bring him back up. Not in games with Baltimore. He should of never been in Saturdays game. It should of been Politte.

[Guest JimH]

You don't try to figure out what you have with someone at the major league level in my opinion.

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This is the key statement.

 

Maybe the KC Royals can do this in 2005 (see: Andy Sisco). The White Sox are in a different position.

 

Guillen and Williams are likely walking a fine line on this issue. They want and need to show faith in their players. At the same time, they are not in a "proving ground" scenario, especially with the 27-11 record.

 

The bullpen has been good for the most part, but I have no doubt they'll make a move if they think it can be better. Cotts might have less rope because he is less proven than other guys, plus I think he has an option left.

[jackie hayes]

But s*** happens, pitchers have bad games and bad stretches, and they aren't always bad for the rest of their careers.  Mind blowing concept.

 

2005: 6 BB per 9 IP

2004: 4.5 BB per 9 IP

2003: 13 BB per 9 IP

 

My point is his wildness isnt something new. His biggest problem  with his wildness is the fact that he looks for the plate late in the delivery and short arms the pitch.  The pitch sails.  Its fixable.  But fix it in the minors and then bring him back up.  Not in games with Baltimore.  He should of never been in Saturdays game.  It should of been Politte.

But this is a sample size question. And last year, the largest sample size, he had 4.1 bb per 9 ip (this year he has 5.4 per 9). That's not great, and I'd hope he settles down. But it's just not THAT bad. He is not killing our bullpen with walks. I'm assuming you want to get rid of Damaso and Contreras, too?

[southsider2k5]

He was hard to defend last year when he had a 5.65 ERA over the ENTIRE season.

 

Defend that!

 

Mike Jackson.