LDF Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I can't belive Botch's era went up, euuuck. :puke I wanted to think that Koch would be the flame throwing closer for us. It's starting to look like you called this one right. i was really concerned about him that is why i was agruing the point of the trade. but this cotts kid may make the trade a plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I can't belive Botch's era went up, euuuck. :puke I wanted to think that Koch would be the flame throwing closer for us. It's starting to look like you called this one right. i was really concerned about him that is why i was agruing the point of the trade. but this cotts kid may make the trade a plus. Sure hope so. Cotts is supposed to have great movement on his pitches. Absolutely have to salvage this trade one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I can't belive Botch's era went up, euuuck. :puke I wanted to think that Koch would be the flame throwing closer for us. It's starting to look like you called this one right. i was really concerned about him that is why i was agruing the point of the trade. but this cotts kid may make the trade a plus. Sure hope so. Cotts is supposed to have great movement on his pitches. Absolutely have to salvage this trade one way or another. and i remember i was one of the few who really hated this trade. i mention it before and i will say it again. the development of valentin vs cotts will tell who got the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I can't belive Botch's era went up, euuuck. :puke I wanted to think that Koch would be the flame throwing closer for us. It's starting to look like you called this one right. i was really concerned about him that is why i was agruing the point of the trade. but this cotts kid may make the trade a plus. Sure hope so. Cotts is supposed to have great movement on his pitches. Absolutely have to salvage this trade one way or another. SI, I wouldn't worry too much. Koch, although he's struggling, has shown over a rather extended period of time that he can close games and that he is a good pitcher (More of a thrower). I wish I had some tapes of him from last year to take a look at. My hunch is that he's working on becoming more of a "pitcher" and with that adjustment he's taking a bit off his fastball and trying to be a bit smarter. This step will hurt him at first (For the first month or so) but it will make him oh so much better in the long run. Stuff wise its still there and mechanically he looks better then he did in years past. I just wish I could see a few of his outings last year on tape and compare them to this year and see the delivery so I could truly verify my hunches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I can't belive Botch's era went up, euuuck. :puke I wanted to think that Koch would be the flame throwing closer for us. It's starting to look like you called this one right. i was really concerned about him that is why i was agruing the point of the trade. but this cotts kid may make the trade a plus. Sure hope so. Cotts is supposed to have great movement on his pitches. Absolutely have to salvage this trade one way or another. and i remember i was one of the few who really hated this trade. i mention it before and i will say it again. the development of valentin vs cotts will tell who got the best. i dont look at it that way because we need a closer that can do his job this year..if koch blows 8 saves or so and by july we red flag the season and dump colon then what good was it really getting neal cotts???...sure we "might" have a quality lefty a couple years down the road but again it cost us a shot at post season to do it....we are always building for a future that never seems to arrive... koch has to be successful and if we arnt and we can point to this trade as the reason we didnt make the playoffs then its also the reason we wont keep colon and god knows who else...if we go deep in the playoffs it could mean a 3 year deal for colon...thats colon and buehrle for 3 more years..now we are serious playoff contenders with experience...koch has to get it in gear right now.. this is kinda like the olivo bradford trade....yeah we got a catcher that in the long run will probably pan out over bradford but how much help could chad have been in '01 and '02 when all those pitching injuries hit and the bullpen imploded game after game???... right now oakland's set up man and closer are players that learned their trade with us..if they make the playoffs again coming out of the tough west and we dont how could we ever call these good trades???..and thats despite the fact that i love how olivo plays... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 Garland may have only one more shot to perform up to expectations. He should get his next start, but then the schedule will allow JM to skip him if he sucks the next time out. By that time, Wright should be getting close to ready. JG is under the gun here, as Josh Stewart is out pitching him so far. C'mon Jon, throw strikes and go after these hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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