hammerhead johnson Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Minimum: 45 IP 1. Pedro Martinez 0.73 WHIP 2. Roger Clemens 0.90 WHIP 3. Dontrelle Willis 0.93 WHIP 4. Brett Myers 0.93 WHIP 5. Jon Garland 0.96 WHIP 6. Johan Santana 0.99 WHIP 7. Jake Peavy 1.02 WHIP 8. Mike Hampton 1.02 WHIP 9. Erik Bedard 1.04 WHIP 10. Mark Prior 1.04 WHIP 11. Randy Johnson 1.05 WHIP 12. Roy Halladay 1.06 WHIP 13. Mark Buehrle 1.06 WHIP 14. Brad Radke 1.06 WHIP 15. Bronson Arroyo 1.07 WHIP 16. Jeremy Bonderman 1.10 WHIP 17. Josh Towers 1.10 WHIP 18. Odalis Perez 1.12 WHIP 19. Zack Greinke 1.12 WHIP 20. Bartolo Colon 1.15 WHIP *Matt Morris has a 1.12 WHIP in 36 IP Myers had a career 1.50 WHIP coming into this season, and Mike Hampton had a 1.53 WHIP in 2004. Before this season started, I'd have told you that both of them were suckers, but you can't argue with these numbers. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm missing. Bonderman continues to impress...it appears as though all of the experts were correct. Bartolo Colon with a 1.15 WHIP...who'd have thought that he'd actually be motivated to pitch up to his abilities this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 How come Duque isn't on this list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 I have 4 of those pithers on one of my fantasy teams =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 QUOTE(Nokona @ May 20, 2005 -> 06:50 PM) I have 4 of those pithers on one of my fantasy teams =) I have four as well. Santana, Bedard, Towers and Od. Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Myers always had a hell of an arm, he's just finally reaching his potential. I've long been a fan of his but it figures I finally don't have him on my fantasy team and he starts pitching his ass off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 QUOTE(Nokona @ May 20, 2005 -> 06:50 PM) I have 4 of those pithers on one of my fantasy teams =) i have three of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Gotta love Greinke, 0-5 with a Top 20 WHIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Jake Peavy = The s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 Update Minimum: 55 IP 1. Pedro Martinez 0.71 WHIP 2. Roger Clemens 0.86 WHIP 3. Jake Peavy 0.92 WHIP 4. Brett Myers 0.94 WHIP 5. Johan Santana 0.94 WHIP 6. Roy Halladay 0.97 WHIP 7. Mark Prior 1.03 WHIP 8. Mark Buehrle 1.04 WHIP 9. Erik Bedard 1.04 WHIP 10. Carlos Zambrano 1.05 WHIP 11. Dontrelle Willis 1.06 WHIP 12. Mike Hampton 1.07 WHIP 13. Jon Garland 1.09 WHIP 14. Mike Redman 1.10 WHIP 15. Aaron Harang 1.11 WHIP 16. Roy Oswalt 1.13 WHIP 17. Brad Radke 1.13 WHIP 18. Bartolo Colon 1.13 WHIP 19. Jose Contreras 1.14 WHIP 20. Josh Beckett 1.15 WHIP 20. Kenny Rogers 1.15 WHIP 20. Javier Vazquez 1.15 WHIP Newcomers in the Top 20: Carlos Zambrano, Mike Redman, Aaron Harang, Roy Oswalt, Jose Contreras, Josh Beckett, Kenny Rogers, Javier Vazquez. Randy Johnson fell from #11 overall to #33 overall with the quickness. There are no Yankees on this list right now. The White Sox have three starters in the Top 20...no other team has that many. The Twins, Cubs, Marlins, and Astros have two apiece. I am still dumbfounded by what Brett Myers has done this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:09 PM) Update Minimum: 55 IP 1. Pedro Martinez 0.71 WHIP 2. Roger Clemens 0.86 WHIP 3. Jake Peavy 0.92 WHIP 4. Brett Myers 0.94 WHIP 5. Johan Santana 0.94 WHIP 6. Roy Halladay 0.97 WHIP 7. Mark Prior 1.03 WHIP 8. Mark Buehrle 1.04 WHIP 9. Erik Bedard 1.04 WHIP 10. Carlos Zambrano 1.05 WHIP 11. Dontrelle Willis 1.06 WHIP 12. Mike Hampton 1.07 WHIP 13. Jon Garland 1.09 WHIP 14. Mike Redman 1.10 WHIP 15. Aaron Harang 1.11 WHIP 16. Roy Oswalt 1.13 WHIP 17. Brad Radke 1.13 WHIP 18. Bartolo Colon 1.13 WHIP 19. Jose Contreras 1.14 WHIP 20. Josh Beckett 1.15 WHIP 20. Kenny Rogers 1.15 WHIP 20. Javier Vazquez 1.15 WHIP Newcomers in the Top 20: Carlos Zambrano, Mike Redman, Aaron Harang, Roy Oswalt, Jose Contreras, Josh Beckett, Kenny Rogers, Javier Vazquez. Randy Johnson fell from #11 overall to #33 overall with the quickness. There are no Yankees on this list right now. The White Sox have three starters in the Top 20...no other team has that many. The Twins, Cubs, Marlins, and Astros have two apiece. I am still dumbfounded by what Brett Myers has done this year. Who woulda thunk that Jose would be up there. Obviously he's very hard to hit but with the amount of walks he usually issues you'd think there would be no chance for that. Well, he's been absolutely fantastic this year, hopefully it continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 Who can't love this Pedro renaissance? It's great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:28 PM) Obviously he's very hard to hit but with the amount of walks he usually issues you'd think there would be no chance for that. That is why He has a BB/9 of 3.68, which is, I believe, the lowest of his career; at the very least, it is much lower than it was last year. His H/BB(a virtually useless stat that I just made up off the top of my head) is 1.78, meaning he walks a lot, but that he is also hard to hit...or it could mean that he is really really bad and that he has walked a s***potful and have given up that many more hits too. It could also mean that he has walked very few, given up very few hits, but that s*** doesn't happen, especially with Jose. What I am trying to figure out is WTF is with all these pitchers breaking through? Steroid use actually was that widely used by the rest of the MLB? Harang, Bonderman, Myers, Garland, Capuano, Rogers, Bedard, Chen, Silva, Young, Santos...I never remember this many guys pitching much better than their career numbers this late into the season. It's almost ridiculous. Offenses all around are down, and do to direct cause/effect, pitching staffs are incredibly better. Jose Canseco was right apparently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 07:48 PM) Who can't love this Pedro renaissance? It's great I looove Pedro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 07:50 PM) What I am trying to figure out is WTF is with all these pitchers breaking through? Steroid use actually was that widely used by the rest of the MLB? Harang, Bonderman, Myers, Garland, Capuano, Rogers, Bedard, Chen, Silva, Young, Santos...I never remember this many guys pitching much better than their career numbers this late into the season. It's almost ridiculous. Offenses all around are down, and do to direct cause/effect, pitching staffs are incredibly better. Jose Canseco was right apparently? Tell me about it. When Bedard went on the DL, I added Chris Capuano to my squad. Since then, the guy has been amazing. I didn't know who he was even a month ago. On the other hand, what's going on with relievers this year? I guess that we'll just save that discussion for another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:56 PM) Tell me about it. When Bedard went on the DL, I added Chris Capuano to my squad. Since then, the guy has been amazing. I didn't know who he was even a month ago. On the other hand, what's going on with relievers this year? I guess that we'll just save that discussion for another thread. Well, a lot of people said that relievers are (or were) big steroid users. So, maybe that's it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 03:07 PM) Well, a lot of people said that relievers are (or were) big steroid users. So, maybe that's it That's what I was thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) That's what I was thinking I heard Viz has lost some speed on his pitches, think he was on the juice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) Well, a lot of people said that relievers are (or were) big steroid users. So, maybe that's it I'll buy that if we're talking about closers beyond the age of 32 (whose skills have deteriorated somewhat, to the point where they need to cheat), but guys in the 26 to 29 age bracket just ain't turning out as they have in the past. So far, through 1/3 of the season, we have Lyon, Turnbow, and Brazoban. Hermanson is 33. Guys are failing to get the job done left and right. Teams like Atlanta and San Francisco are absolutely f***ed this year, as nobody can step up and close out games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 08:12 PM) I heard Viz has lost some speed on his pitches, think he was on the juice? Look at Milwaukee's team pitching numbers: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/mil/stat...Pitching&type=0 Then look at what guys have done since they've left Milwaukee (Viz, Kolb). Miller is one crazy motherf***ing pitchers park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) Look at Milwaukee's team pitching numbers: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/mil/stat...Pitching&type=0 Then look at what guys have done since they've left Milwaukee (Viz, Kolb). Miller is one crazy motherf***ing pitchers park. Or that whole pitching staff is on the juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:12 PM) I heard Viz has lost some speed on his pitches, think he was on the juice? Problem with Viz is he's just got slider happy, his fastball still has a ton of movement and good velocity on it, he just has to use it more imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) Problem with Viz is he's just got slider happy, his fastball still has a ton of movement and good velocity on it, he just has to use it more imo. He hits 91-92 now when he use to throw 95 consistently. Three miles is a huge difference unless you are extremely good which we cannot say that much for vizcaino. He is surely not trevor hoffman or anyone or that ilk that has lost velocity and was still as good as ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:39 PM) He hits 91-92 now when he use to throw 95 consistently. Three miles is a huge difference unless you are extremely good which we cannot say that much for vizcaino. He is surely not trevor hoffman or anyone or that ilk that has lost velocity and was still as good as ever. Yes but 91-92 is plenty because he has a ton of sink on his fastball he just has to use it more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 03:52 PM) Yes but 91-92 is plenty because he has a ton of sink on his fastball he just has to use it more. Has any sox player of done bad in your eyes? Ton of sink on his fastball? He either sinks it right down the middle of the plate or way out of the strike zone. No in between with this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) Has any sox player of done bad in your eyes? Ton of sink on his fastball? He either sinks it right down the middle of the plate or way out of the strike zone. No in between with this guy. When did I say he's doing good?? He's been terrible, I'm saying his fastball still has a lot of sink on it but yes you're right when he's thrown it, it has been down the middle of the plate and that is one reason he's been getting hit, however he still needs to use it more to set up his slider which is his best pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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