Top 20 in WHIP

[qwerty]

When did I say he's doing good??  He's been terrible, I'm saying his fastball still has a lot of sink on it but yes you're right when he's thrown it, it has been down the middle of the plate and that is one reason he's been getting hit, however he still needs to use it more to set up his slider which is his best pitch.

 

You didn't but to say his fastball has had alot of movement this year is just silly as hell to me. If his movement was so great he would get some people to chase his pitches. Instead they just sit there and wave at the pitches as they go by them no where near the zone.

 

95 mile an hour vizcaino = solid.

 

91-92 mile an vizcaino = makes my head hurt watching him pitch.

[Rowand44]

You didn't but to say his fastball has had alot of movement this year is just silly as hell to me. If his movement was so great he would get some people to chase his pitches. Instead they just sit there and wave at the pitches as they go by them no where near the zone.

 

95 mile an hour vizcaino = solid.

 

91-92 mile an vizcaino = makes my head hurt watching him pitch.

Well we're just going to have to agree to disagree, imo his fastball still has plenty of movement he's just getting it in the wrong spots and not throwing it enough, we'll just leave it at that.

[witesoxfan]

He hits 91-92 now when he use to throw 95 consistently. Three miles is a huge difference unless you are extremely good which we cannot say that much for vizcaino. He is surely not trevor hoffman or anyone or that ilk that has lost velocity and was still as good as ever.

 

A pitcher losing velocity on his pitches when coming to the Sox? Where have I heard that before?

 

Jesus f***

[hammerhead johnson]

Update

 

Minimum: 60 IP

 

1. Pedro Martinez 0.71 WHIP

2. Johan Santana 0.89 WHIP

3. Roger Clemens 0.93 WHIP

4. Roy Halladay 0.94 WHIP

5. Jake Peavy 0.95 WHIP

6. Brett Myers 0.98 WHIP

7. Mike Redman 1.05 WHIP

8. Mark Buehrle 1.06 WHIP

9. Carlos Zambrano 1.07 WHIP

10. Roy Oswalt 1.10 WHIP

11. Dontrelle Willis 1.10 WHIP

12. Jon Garland 1.11 WHIP

13. Matt Morris 1.13 WHIP

14. Kenny Rogers 1.13 WHIP

15. Aaron Harang 1.13 WHIP

16. Chris Young 1.15 WHIP

17. Freddy Garcia 1.17 WHIP

18. Andy Pettite 1.17 WHIP

19. Cliff Lee 1.18 WHIP

20. Bartolo Colon 1.18 WHIP

 

Newcomers in the Top 20: Freddy Garcia, Matt Morris, Andy Pettite, Chris Young, Cliff Lee

 

The Sox still have 3 pitchers in the Top 20, although Freddy Garcia has taken the place of Jose Contreras. Jose fell all the way down to #29 overall after getting his ass handed to him by Arizona. Houston can match us with 3 starters in the Top 20 in Clemens, Oswalt, and Pettite, but we're the only team in the majors with 4 starters in the Top 30. That is insane.

 

Arlington is murder on pitchers, and yet, Kenny Rogers and Chris Young have WHIP ratios of 1.15 or better through the middle of June.

 

I thought that Cliff Lee was a stroke, but he's making me eat my words. Sabathia is itching to get into the Top 20 with a 1.19 WHIP.

 

Top 10 WHIP list for closers with no minimum IP:

 

1. Eddie Guardado 0.87 WHIP

2. Francisco Rodriguez 0.90 WHIP

3. Troy Percival 0.98 WHIP

4. Eric Gagne 0.98 WHIP

5. Billy Wagner 1.01 WHIP

6. Mariano Rivera 1.01 WHIP

7. BJ Ryan 1.04 WHIP

8. Chris Reitsma 1.04 WHIP

9. Chad Cordero 1.06 WHIP

10. Miguel Batista 1.09 WHIP

 

Has Atlanta finally found a closer in Reitsma?

Edited June 14, 2005 by hammerhead johnson

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Update

Minimum: 60 IP

 

2. Johan Santana 0.89 WHIP

16. Chris Young 1.15 WHIP

 

Top 10 WHIP list for closers with no minimum IP:

 

2. Francisco Rodriguez 0.90 WHIP

7. BJ Ryan 1.04 WHIP

8. Chris Reitsma 1.04 WHIP

9. Chad Cordero 1.06 WHIP

I have those players. My relief pitching is ridiculously dominate. Normally Bedard is in the top 20 but he's on the DL so I'd normally have 3 starters.

[hammerhead johnson]

Chris Carpenter pitched a CG shutout against the Blue Jays yesterday, giving up only one hit and one walk. His WHIP is now 1.21, so I'll be expecting him to crack the Top 20 when I update this thread in a couple weeks. Chris might be the best-kept secret in all of baseball right now.

[Rowand44]

Chris Carpenter pitched a CG shutout against the Blue Jays yesterday, giving up only one hit and one walk.  His WHIP is now 1.21, so I'll be expecting him to crack the Top 20 when I update this thread in a couple weeks.  Chris might be the best-kept secret in all of baseball right now.

Last year as well. He's been fantastic the last two years.

[hammerhead johnson]

UPDATE 6/27

 

Minimum: 65 IP

 

1. Pedro Martinez 0.80 WHIP

2. Roy Halladay 0.94 WHIP

3. Roger Clemens 0.95 WHIP

4. Jake Peavy 0.95 WHIP

5. Mark Prior 0.95 WHIP *64.1 IP

6. Johan Santana 0.96 WHIP

7. Mark Buehrle 1.03 WHIP

8. Jon Garland 1.06 WHIP

9. Roy Oswalt 1.08 WHIP

10. Dontrelle Willis 1.10 WHIP

11. Cris Carpenter 1.12 WHIP

12. Matt Morris 1.14 WHIP

13. Andy Pettite 1.14 WHIP

14. Freddy Garcia 1.16 WHIP

15. Chris Young 1.16 WHIP

16. Bartolo Colon 1.16 WHIP

17. Kris Benson 1.17 WHIP

18. Ben Sheets 1.17 WHIP

19. Brett Myers 1.17 WHIP

20. Josh Beckett 1.18 WHIP

20. Mark Redman 1.18 WHIP

20. Paul Byrd 1.18 WHIP

 

Newcomers in the Top 20: Cris Carpenter, Ben Sheets, Kris Benson, Paul Byrd

 

Brett Myers fell from #6 overall with a 0.98 WHIP to #19 overall with a 1.17 WHIP. His last two starts combined: 7 IP, 13 ER, 18 H, 4 BB. Yikes. Time for Brett to come waaaay back down to Earth.

 

Cris Carpenter, on the other hand, has been sensational. His last three starts combined: 26 IP, 1 ER, 9 H, 3 BB. This is his first appearance in the Top 20, and he shot right up to #11 overall.

 

The Sox (Buehrle, Garland, Garcia) and the Astros (Clemens, Oswalt, Pettite) have three starters apiece in the Top 15, and two starters apiece in the Top 10. That is insane.

 

Sabathia was on the verge of breaking into the Top 20 back on June 14, but he's been absolutely terrible since then.

[hammerhead johnson]

ASB Update:

 

Minimum 70 IP

 

1. Pedro Martinez 0.84 WHIP

2. Roger Clemens 0.95 WHIP

3. Roy Halladay 0.96 WHIP

4. Jake Peavy 1.01 WHIP

5. Johan Santana 1.05 WHIP

6. Mark Prior 1.05 WHIP

7. Chris Carpenter 1.07 WHIP

8. Matt Morris 1.07 WHIP

9. Jon Garland 1.08 WHIP

10. Roy Oswalt 1.08 WHIP

11. Mark Buehrle 1.11 WHIP

12. Ben Sheets 1.13 WHIP

13. Dontrelle Willis 1.14 WHIP

14. Paul Byrd 1.14 WHIP

15. Brett Myers 1.14 WHIP

16. Bartolo Colon 1.14 WHIP

17. Andy Pettite 1.16 WHIP

18. Freddy Garcia 1.18 WHIP

19. Josh Beckett 1.18 WHIP

20. John Patterson 1.18 WHIP

 

Newcomers: John Patterson

 

Freddy Garcia is hanging on for dear life, if he sucks in his next start he's outta there.

 

Paul Byrd? Someone tell me about this guy, because there are some things that I could just never understand. We're taliing about a pitcher that no knowledgeable baseball head would have drafted in any fantasy league. I think back to his days with the Royals.

 

Pedro Martinez and Roger Clemens continue to have legendary years. They're two of the Top 10 pitchers in the history of major league baseball, that is damn near unquestionable at this point.

 

Chris Carpenter just keeps coming, y'all. Now he's starting the All Star game? Wow.

[Balta1701]

How has Santana stayed on that list when he hasn't won a game in June? Has every hit he gives up left the park or something like that?

 

Buehrle will move back up the list now that he's done with the A's. Probably Garland too.

[hammerhead johnson]

How has Santana stayed on that list when he hasn't won a game in June?  Has every hit he gives up left the park or something like that?

 

Two of his past three starts have been absolutely terrible, but he's only lost roughly 1/10 of a point off of his WHIP since June 27 (from 0.96 to 1.05).

 

This is just presumptuous on my part, but perhaps he is pitching through an injury right now. That would be outstanding news for Sox fans. Maybe a more knowledgeable baseball man that I can chime in and explain what the deal is with Johan.

[hammerhead johnson]

JULY 25 UPDATE

 

Minimum 75 IP

 

1. Pedro Martinez 0.85 WHIP

2. Roger Clemens 0.96 WHIP

3. Roy Halladay 0.96 WHIP

4. Rich Harden 1.01 WHIP

5. Chris Carpenter 1.03 WHIP

6. Jake Peavy 1.05 WHIP

7. Mark Prior 1.06 WHIP

8. Johan Santana 1.06 WHIP

9. Roy Oswalt 1.08 WHIP

10. Paul Byrd 1.11 WHIP

11. Kris Benson 1.11 WHIP

12. Ben Sheets 1.12 WHIP

13. Mark Buehrle 1.12 WHIP

14. Jon Garland 1.12 WHIP

15. Matt Morris 1.12 WHIP

16. John Patterson 1.12 WHIP

17. Andy Pettite 1.13 WHIP

18. John Smoltz 1.14 WHIP

19. Josh Beckett 1.15 WHIP

20. Barry Zito 1.16 WHIP

 

Newcomers: Rich Harden, John Smoltz, Barry Zito

 

Barry Zito has had 6 straight remarkable starts, taking his ERA down from 4.66 to 3.55. Rich Harden qualifies for the first time with a dynamite WHIP ratio of 1.01.

 

Dontrelle Willis fell from #10 overall to #28 overall.

 

Freddy Garcia also took a dive, falling 13 places from #18 to #31. For the first time since May, there are no White Sox starters in the Top 10.

 

Brett Myers is finally out of there after 4 months. He is currently at 1.17, so he could be back in two weeks from now. He has been kick-ass this year. I had no idea that he could be this good.

[hammerhead johnson]

AUGUST 14 UPDATE

 

Minimum 85 IP

 

1. Pedro Martinez 0.91 WHIP

2. Roger Clemens 0.93 WHIP

3. Roy Halladay 0.96 WHIP

4. Chris Carpenter 0.98 WHIP

5. Jake Peavy 1.01 WHIP

6. Ben Sheets 1.04 WHIP

7. Johan Santana 1.06 WHIP

8. Andy Pettite 1.13 WHIP

9. Rich Harden 1.11 WHIP

10. Mark Prior 1.11 WHIP

11. Josh Beckett 1.12 WHIP

12. John Patterson 1.12 WHIP

13. Dontrelle Willis 1.13 WHIP

14. Roy Oswalt 1.13 WHIP

15. John Smoltz 1.15 WHIP

16. Kris Benson 1.16 WHIP

17. Brad Radke 1.16 WHIP

18. Mark Beuhrle 1.17 WHIP

19. Jon Garland 1.17 WHIP

20. Bartolo Colon 1.17 WHIP

20. Carlos Silva 1.17 WHIP

 

Newcomers: Brad Radke, Carlos Silva

 

The Twins join the Astros as the only teams to have three starters in the Top 20. The White Sox have had three in the Top 20 for the majority of the season (Buehrle, Garland, Garcia), but when I do my next update, there is a good chance that they'll hve nobody on this list.

 

Dontrelle Willis fell from #10 overall to #28 overall, and now he's back to #13 overall.

 

Brett Myers continues to fall. He's at #27 overall right now.

['94WorldChamps]

AUGUST 14 UPDATE

 

Minimum 85 IP

 

1. Pedro Martinez 0.91 WHIP

2. Roger Clemens 0.93 WHIP

3. Roy Halladay 0.96 WHIP

4. Chris Carpenter 0.98 WHIP

5. Jake Peavy 1.01 WHIP

6. Ben Sheets 1.04 WHIP

7. Johan Santana 1.06 WHIP

8. Andy Pettite 1.13 WHIP

9. Rich Harden 1.11 WHIP

10. Mark Prior 1.11 WHIP

11. Josh Beckett 1.12 WHIP

12. John Patterson 1.12 WHIP

13. Dontrelle Willis 1.13 WHIP

14. Roy Oswalt 1.13 WHIP

15. John Smoltz 1.15 WHIP

16. Kris Benson 1.16 WHIP

17. Brad Radke 1.16 WHIP

18. Mark Beuhrle 1.17 WHIP

19. Jon Garland 1.17 WHIP

20. Bartolo Colon 1.17 WHIP

20. Carlos Silva 1.17 WHIP

 

Newcomers: Brad Radke, Carlos Silva

 

The Twins join the Astros as the only teams to have three starters in the Top 20.  The White Sox have had three in the Top 20 for the majority of the season (Buehrle, Garland, Garcia), but when I do my next update, there is a good chance that they'll hve nobody on this list.

 

Dontrelle Willis fell from #10 overall to #28 overall, and now he's back to #13 overall.

 

Brett Myers continues to fall.  He's at #27 overall right now.

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Clemens should be bottled. That is all.

[Flash Tizzle]

Clemens should be bottled.  That is all.

 

I had my suspicions about him.

 

I thought people were willing to give Brando another chance?

[SoxFanForever]

I had my suspicions about him.

 

I thought people were willing to give Brando another chance?

What did he do to get banned again?