Soxy Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 21, 2005 -> 07:01 PM) Future? We're 30-12, the future is NOW. Actually, we're 31-12. Which I see as having no bearing on your desire to trade away our farm system for a closer that this year hasn't even been a shadow of his former self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Lets forget this topic and be happy when the next Gagne gets called up(Jenks) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jenks just got rocked for 5 runs in his last save opportunity. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...t=.jsp&c_id=cws Closer Bobby Jenks didn't fair as well for Double-A Birmingham. The right-hander allowed five runs on three hits and two walks in one inning, leading to West Tennessee's 7-3 victory. Jenks' blown save spoiled a strong six-inning effort from Corwin Malone, in which he allowed one earned run on six hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Give me Wagner instead. I'm pretty sure he's cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:05 PM) Actually, we're 31-12. Which I see as having no bearing on your desire to trade away our farm system for a closer that this year hasn't even been a shadow of his former self. I think that's key. Maybe the dodgers know something about his health that they aren't exactly excited about announcing to the world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted May 22, 2005 Author Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ May 21, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) Actually, we're 31-12. Which I see as having no bearing on your desire to trade away our farm system for a closer that this year hasn't even been a shadow of his former self. Oh, because god forbid me to have forgotten that we had won today. So sorry. How can you say he hasn't been a shadow of his former self when he's pitched in only two games? In his first game back, he gave up 2 ER...oh, so let's shoot the old horse in the foot and call it quits. His next outing he gave up no hits, no walks and struck out two...not to mention he fanned 3 in his first outing back. You might as well say it's worthless to get Frank Thomas off the DL because we're fine as is and he hasn't been the Thomas of old. Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:01 PM) You might as well say it's worthless to get Frank Thomas off the DL because we're fine as is and he hasn't been the Thomas of old. Give me a break. Agreed. As much as we want to believe it as fans, we are NOT a World Series caliber team. There are places where this team could improve and the setup/closer role is one of them. Do those who say that you "don't want to mess with team chemistry," actually think this is a World Series caliber team? Edited May 22, 2005 by sircaffey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) I think that's key. Maybe the dodgers know something about his health that they aren't exactly excited about announcing to the world? Billy Koch meet Eric Gagne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted May 22, 2005 Author Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:20 PM) Billy Koch meet Eric Gagne. Could be a problem, but Gagne's #1 pitch is his change-up. It might not be as effective without a high 90's fastball, but it could be serviceable enough to at least be a good set-up man if worst comes to worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:20 PM) Billy Koch meet Eric Gagne. Except Koch had one servicable pitch, 100 mph heat. Gagne throws the kitchen sink at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 21, 2005 -> 09:22 PM) Could be a problem, but Gagne's #1 pitch is his change-up. It might not be as effective without a high 90's fastball, but it could be serviceable enough to at least be a good set-up man if worst comes to worst. We would have to give up the farm to get him though. I'm confident that Kenny can find us a better deal elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted May 22, 2005 Author Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:24 PM) We would have to give up the farm to get him though. I'm confident that Kenny can find us a better deal elsewhere. Bill Wagner would be ideal, I won't disagree. Hell, just a dominant set-up man would work. But when Gagne is Gagne, he is as good as it gets and he'll put fanny's in the park even for only pitching 1 inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:01 PM) Oh, because god forbid me to have forgotten that we had won today. So sorry. How can you say he hasn't been a shadow of his former self when he's pitched in only two games? In his first game back, he gave up 2 ER...oh, so let's shoot the old horse in the foot and call it quits. His next outing he gave up no hits, no walks and struck out two...not to mention he fanned 3 in his first outing back. You might as well say it's worthless to get Frank Thomas off the DL because we're fine as is and he hasn't been the Thomas of old. Give me a break. When you can reply to me in a civil/non-rude manner I will give your opinions some credence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted May 22, 2005 Author Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:28 PM) When you can reply to me in a civil/non-rude manner I will give your opinions some credence. Should I say likewise? For faulting me as to forgetting one simple win? Or perhaps just simply because you're becoming hypocrytical here by TELLING me I'm being a jag bag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Simmer down people, the White Sox have a 6 game lead on the Twins and have taken the first two games from the Scrubs. We have the best record in the Major Leagues too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 I rather trade for Brazoban... cheaper and showed earlier this year he can close as well as anyone....While I agree we might want to trade for a RP later this year Gagne not only will demand a lot in a trade but also costs a lot of money. If we are looking for a closer id say Wagner whose in his last year of a contract and just as dominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 21, 2005 -> 07:23 PM) Would it be too much to give up say BMac + Anderson/Sweeney + Everett? Or could they be asking for even more? Ugh, no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) Give me Wagner instead. I'm pretty sure he's cheaper. Isn't Wagner making $8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 No way in hell do I give up that much for Gagne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Wagner guys. He's my pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ May 21, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) Agreed. As much as we want to believe it as fans, we are NOT a World Series caliber team. There are places where this team could improve and the setup/closer role is one of them. Bulls***. Every team has weaknesses and to tell you the truth we really don't have a glaring weakness. This team already is capable of winning the series, obviously doesn't mean they are going to but they definitely can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 The Dodgers will probably keep Gagne. Once Valentin is healthy again, they really don't have many holes that they need to trade such a dominant guy in Gagne to fill. Sure Brazoban has done good, but who's going to set-up for him in the 8th? Is Kelly Wunsch going to pitch as good as he has so far for them? I'm of the view that a lefty LOOGY who can get lefties out is more important than a closer right now. Also Bob, you asked where has our farm system gotten us in past few seasons? Your point is taken, but it's still extremely important for the Sox to develop guys that they draft that they can put into the team at such a cheap cost, to help put money into other more important needs. Anderson is very, very close to joining this team, just needs to work on some little things such as his K/BB ratio, and get some more AB's. Ryan Sweeney, Chris Young and Jerry Owens are looking good down at B-Ham, B-Mac is already up with the club now, and Gio Gonzalez was absolutely dominant early on down at Kanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 02:12 AM) Bulls***. Every team has weaknesses and to tell you the truth we really don't have a glaring weakness. This team already is capable of winning the series, obviously doesn't mean they are going to but they definitely can. I agree. We have flaws, but so does every other team out there. This team CAN do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(SuperSteve @ May 21, 2005 -> 10:33 PM) Isn't Wagner making $8? Nine million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 I'd have to be shown that Gagne is still the guy he used to be. I'd also be concerned about whether he can pass a drug test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ May 22, 2005 -> 03:21 AM) Nine million. $10-12 million for Gagne $9 million for Wagner It just shows you how overpriced closers get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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