striker Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Why would you pay someone over $10 million a year to play 60-70 innings. Yeah he's good. No he's not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 01:12 AM) Bulls***. Every team has weaknesses and to tell you the truth we really don't have a glaring weakness. This team already is capable of winning the series, obviously doesn't mean they are going to but they definitely can. Of course we CAN, any team CAN, but the chances aren't favorable. So you would rather sit and not address a weakness just because we CAN win the series instead of addressing a weakness and becoming that much better? I think that is ridiculous logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doUrememberwhen Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Jenks just got rocked for 5 runs in his last save opportunity. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...t=.jsp&c_id=cws <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This bad outing doesn't change the fact that he's had nasty stuff and will only get better. Also, I should have included Baj and Reynoso in this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 No way. Everett has been a BIG part of the timely hitting getting us these leads. Sweeney perhaps but not Anderson. BMac is becoming a household name in Chicago. That's not just a future ace your trading away but a potential marquee player. Gagne is too expensive & too much of a risk coming off the DL to pay that high of a price. If LA is looking to swap good relief pitching at a low cost for great relief pitching at a high cost then ok. I'm willing to do a trade like that. But there is no way I'd give up a top prospect or one of our best hitters to get him. There will be a LOT of options to trade for a closer before the deadline. Gagne is probably the most costly of them all. I agree with the general theory that you trade for the dominant closer & make Hermy the setup man & this team is World Series bound. Especially with a healthy Thomas. But there are MANY other candidates: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/stats/bypositi...fied=1&sort=106 I can't think of a year when there were so many good names that should be available near the deadline. Either nearing the end of a contract or their team is hopeless & in need of a change. If I had to guess I believe KW will pull the trigger before the deadline to get one of them. If I had my choice it would be Guardado. We have good relations with the M's as trade partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ May 22, 2005 -> 10:51 AM) Of course we CAN, any team CAN, but the chances aren't favorable. So you would rather sit and not address a weakness just because we CAN win the series instead of addressing a weakness and becoming that much better? I think that is ridiculous logic. Why aren't the chances favorable?? This team has a good of chance as any team in baseball to win the series. There isn't a team in baseball with less weaknesses then the sox. Not to mention if we can manage to get into the playoffs, we'll be throwing out duque, buehrle, garland and garcia, who the hell can match that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 11:11 AM) Why aren't the chances favorable?? This team has a good of chance as any team in baseball to win the series. There isn't a team in baseball with less weaknesses then the sox. Not to mention if we can manage to get into the playoffs, we'll be throwing out duque, buehrle, garland and garcia, who the hell can match that?? I don't care whether this team has more or less weaknesses than other playoff caliber teams. That's not the point. The point is minimizing the weaknesses and making this club the best that it can be going into the playoffs. THAT'S the point. To say that we have no more weaknesses than other clubs and having that as the reason to not add more talent to this club is just stupid. I don't care how we match up with other clubs. If there's an opportunity to eliminate a weakness, you do it. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ May 22, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) I don't care whether this team has more or less weaknesses than other playoff caliber teams. That's not the point. The point is minimizing the weaknesses and making this club the best that it can be going into the playoffs. THAT'S the point. To say that we have no more weaknesses than other clubs and having that as the reason to not add more talent to this club is just stupid. I don't care how we match up with other clubs. If there's an opportunity to eliminate a weakness, you do it. Simple as that. The problem is that by solving a weakness, we would introduce a new one. I don't think the weakness solved would compensate for the weakness made, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(Wedge @ May 22, 2005 -> 11:45 AM) The problem is that by solving a weakness, we would introduce a new one. I don't think the weakness solved would compensate for the weakness made, either. Are you talking about a specific trade idea like the Gagne trade? Or in general? I'm speaking in general... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ May 22, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) I don't care whether this team has more or less weaknesses than other playoff caliber teams. That's not the point. The point is minimizing the weaknesses and making this club the best that it can be going into the playoffs. THAT'S the point. To say that we have no more weaknesses than other clubs and having that as the reason to not add more talent to this club is just stupid. I don't care how we match up with other clubs. If there's an opportunity to eliminate a weakness, you do it. Simple as that. You've changed the whole point of the discussion. If you have a chance to make the team better then yes you do it. However you said that this team is not capable of winning a world series as it is and that's just completely false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) You've changed the whole point of the discussion. If you have a chance to make the team better then yes you do it. However you said that this team is not capable of winning a world series as it is and that's just completely false. No, I said that we could win the series. I said this team is not a World Series caliber team. There's a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ May 22, 2005 -> 12:02 PM) No, I said that we could win the series. I said this team is not a World Series caliber team. There's a difference. Explain to me how this isn't a world series caliber team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 01:04 PM) Explain to me how this isn't a world series caliber team. Because pitching and defense wins championships and we have neither...er...wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 The contenders: NYY have Rivera 1.23 WHIP, .193A BOS has Foulke 1.57 WHIP, .291A (Yikes!) MIN has Nathan 0.75 WHIP, .188A LAA has KRod 0.69 WHIP, .164A BAL has Ryan 1.17 WHIP, .212A CHI has Hermanson 0.89 WHIP, .179A http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/chw/stat...fied=0&sort=138 Right now Viz, Walker, & Shingo are less than good. Marte is so-so. Politte & Cotts look good but still shaky for setup. I think whether we trade for a dominate pen guy depends on Marte. He's been dominant in the past & there is still time for him to regain that before the deadline. To compete for a WS it's best to have two dominant pen guys. Right now we just have one & he's having a career year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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