3E8 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(YahtzeeSox @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) KW could also trade the Count at the break for a King's Ransom if he keeps pitching like this. We could get 3 stud prospects because there ain't gonna be s*** on the market at the All Star Break. Trading Count at the break would be suicidal. Buehrle isn't an ace by the fact that he is very hittable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 It amazes me how down on Garcia people have been this year. He has an era under 4, 6 of his 9 starts have been quality starts(I believe Buehrle has the same amount, someone correct me if I'm wrong) Freddy's been very good he just had those two bad starts in a row, besides that he's actually been pretty dominate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:56 PM) It amazes me how down on Garcia people have been this year. He has an era under 4, 6 of his 9 starts have been quality starts(I believe Buehrle has the same amount, someone correct me if I'm wrong) Freddy's been very good he just had those two bad starts in a row, besides that he's actually been pretty dominate. Overall Freddy's been the 3rd best starter on the club, ahead of Cont and Duque. Duque the worse while Garland the best. And while Duque was the worse he hasn't been awful by any means, LOL (which is nice to say, although I don't personally think he's pitched as good as his numbers would indicate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:56 PM) It amazes me how down on Garcia people have been this year. He has an era under 4, 6 of his 9 starts have been quality starts(I believe Buehrle has the same amount, someone correct me if I'm wrong) Freddy's been very good he just had those two bad starts in a row, besides that he's actually been pretty dominate. I agree. He is the guy we traded some great talent for and he has lived up to expectations for the most part. He has nasty ass stuff and IMO will be a stud down the stretch and in the playoffs. When he steps up his game and lives up to his potential, he is filthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuehrleTheAce Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) It amazes me how down on Garcia people have been this year. He has an era under 4, 6 of his 9 starts have been quality starts(I believe Buehrle has the same amount, someone correct me if I'm wrong) Freddy's been very good he just had those two bad starts in a row, besides that he's actually been pretty dominate. Garcia: 9 starts, at least 6IP in each start, 6 quality starts. 3.56 ERA, 1.24 WHIP. Buehrle: 9 starts, at least 6IP in each start, 6 quality starts. 3.33 ERA, 1.06 WHIP. You are correct sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Idonno if its everyone being down on him or everyone being so high on Garland and Buehrle... and than El Duque everyone was loving too b4 that last outing. Also I think Contreras has been one of our better starters just bad luck. In my Opinion he could easily be 5-0... I think he would of won that royals game and than Shingo blew the save accounting for 2 more wins. Than he pitched well enough to win the orioles game 2 just bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:58 PM) although I don't personally think he's pitched as good as his numbers would indicate His numbers indicate perfectly how he's pitched. 1.65 WHIP .287 BAA BB/9 4.7 K/BB of 1.25 All are f***in horrible. His concrete numbers of ERA and wins suggest that he has pitched well - you are right about that(5 wins, 3.91 ERA). Look at his peripherals and you can see why some would think he has not pitched so hawt this year at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(Wedge @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:52 PM) Exactly, that's probably the best way to determine if somebody is an ace: draw a comparison. If you consider Maddux or Glavine aces, then I think you have to give it to Buehrle. Maddux is not longer an ace by any means. But he was an ace for a decade and one of the best pitchers in 20-30 years. Not many can touch what he has done in his career. How many times did glavine pitch over 200 innings with an era under three? Glavine has not always been an ace and either has maddux but they both were for along period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Who cares??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ May 22, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) Maddux is not longer an ace by any means. But he was an ace for a decade and one of the best pitchers in 20-30 years. Not many can touch what he has done in his career. How many times did glavine pitch over 200 innings with an era under three? Glavine has not always been an ace and either has maddux but they both were for along period of time. It's pretty darn hard to have an era under 3 in the al, I know Johan did it last year and I'm pretty sure Huddy did it a few times but add in the park where Mark pitches and it seems like it's going to be almost impossible to do that for a season. Mark did however have an era under 3 on the road last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 08:09 PM) It's pretty darn hard to have an era under 3 in the al, I know Johan did it last year and I'm pretty sure Huddy did it a few times but add in the park where Mark pitches and it seems like it's going to be almost impossible to do that for a season. Mark did however have an era under 3 on the road last year. That is not common for him actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ May 22, 2005 -> 08:08 PM) Who cares??? Apparently the people discussing it?¿?¿ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ May 22, 2005 -> 08:43 PM) Kenny Rogers is an ace? Four aces... baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 So is there any valid reasoning for why Buehrle is NOT an ace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 22, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) So is there any valid reasoning for why Buehrle is NOT an ace? People say he isn't because he doesn't have great stuff. I think he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:05 PM) His numbers indicate perfectly how he's pitched. 1.65 WHIP .287 BAA BB/9 4.7 K/BB of 1.25 All are f***in horrible. His concrete numbers of ERA and wins suggest that he has pitched well - you are right about that(5 wins, 3.91 ERA). Look at his peripherals and you can see why some would think he has not pitched so hawt this year at all. Hey, no you know why I'm a proponent of saying screw Duque let him rest and going with Bmac. Of course thats just because I think so highly of on and so little of the other. At the same time I realize Duque is experienced and has the intangibles necessary to help a team down the stretch and it doesn't hurt the Sox are paying him good money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:07 PM) Maddux is not longer an ace by any means. But he was an ace for a decade and one of the best pitchers in 20-30 years. Not many can touch what he has done in his career. How many times did glavine pitch over 200 innings with an era under three? Glavine has not always been an ace and either has maddux but they both were for along period of time. Plus Maddux had a few years where he had ERA's in the mid 1's. Thats downright nasty. He is and will always be one of the 10 best pitchers in my mind. Him, Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez are by far and away the 3 best from this recent era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 (edited) Who gives a s*** about aces? Do we have a good starting staff? You better believe it. The Angels didn't have an ace in 02. The Marlins didn't have an ace in 03. You don't have to have an ace to get to the post-season and win. You have to have a good to great starting staff and bullpen. Edited May 23, 2005 by Jordan4life_2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 I would rather have a solid starting staff full of a couple of #2's and a few #3's than have a staff that has a #1 and four #4's. And Buehrle is close to "ace" status, IMO. If he threw 95 and whiffed 10-14 every game, this wouldn't even be an argument. So he doesn't blow hitters away - he still gets them out, whether it's a strikeout or not, so gives a s***? The main objective isn't to strike hitters out, it's to get them out no matter how you do it. If you want K's from your starting pitcher and huge pitch-counts (which are hand-in-hand usually), then let's trade Buehrle for Kerry "Balsa" Wood. Would that make people happy? K's are OVERRATED for a starting pitcher. I'd rather have a guy making 4 pitches per hitter who gets an out than someone who needs 8 pitches per hitter to get his precious "strikeout." What a load of crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(YahtzeeSox @ May 23, 2005 -> 12:05 AM) KW is sitting on a goldmine here and if he plays his cards right he could have his team in great shape for the next TEN years. Will we need ANY upgrades on the 25 man roster over next winter? Perhaps. Middle reliever, third basemen, first basemen? But if we trade one of our 5 over the winter, we could trade maybe Contreras for two stud minor league prospects, one pitcher, one second basemen/shortstop/first basemen. A ballers. It wouldn't hurt us at all if Big Mac is really ready for the show. And it would put us in a Twins like position. Guys can replace guys when they walk. KW could also trade the Count at the break for a King's Ransom if he keeps pitching like this. We could get 3 stud prospects because there ain't gonna be s*** on the market at the All Star Break. KW won't trade SP during the year. The Sox would be one injury away from jeapordizing a shot at the playoffs then. But if Contreras keeps up his pitching, he might be traded in the offseason so the sox can sign Garland to a big increase. There won't be many free agent SP's for 2006. So teams may have to trade for a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISF Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 A topic titled "Holy s***"...... Doesn't this belong in the Politics/Religion forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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