nitetrain8601 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 If I'm the Sox, I would go after him. Try to send down Cotts so he could get stretched out and work on things. Graves as our worst reliever wouldn't be that bad. I wouldn't have him close or anything like that. But I think the Sox could work on him. If anything, he'd be an asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 23, 2005 -> 10:02 PM) Last year Graves had 41 saves and a 3.95 ERA. Now that ERA wasn't all that grand and there were better closers, but thats not too shabby. Plus Graves is a lot like Keith Foulke...he doesn't rely on his fastball, he relies on a very good changeup. Graves has had one bad year prior to this and that was when he was put into the starting rotation and couldn't handle it. Considering he's what 31 years old I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to do it again. It is an intriguing thought for sure. I am just afaid we would have another Koch on our hands is all. He was still young too, but just didn't have it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 QUOTE(elrockinMT @ May 23, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) It is an intriguing thought for sure. I am just afaid we would have another Koch on our hands is all. He was still young too, but just didn't have it anymore. Only one difference in my mind. The Sox were paying Koch a whole lot of money and would be paying Graves league minimum. If they can't fix it, he's gone. Its not like Viz is doing all that much better and Graves has a better track record than him. Plus a decrease in velocity hurts a power pitcher a lot more than a finesse pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 One bad exRed reliever per team - we had Scott Sullivan, no more please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ May 23, 2005 -> 05:48 PM) One bad exRed reliever per team - we had Scott Sullivan, no more please. Um, was it just me or did Scott Sullivan do pretty damn good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 23, 2005 -> 06:35 PM) Um, was it just me or did Scott Sullivan do pretty damn good? 14 and 1/3 innings; 9 hits and 6 walks allowed; 2 homers; ERA of 3.77. I didn't think he was "pretty damn good". I thought he was a disappointment. But I think Graves would be much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 No team will want to pick up the rest of the $6M salary so it may take a while before he lands somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ May 23, 2005 -> 06:47 PM) 14 and 1/3 innings; 9 hits and 6 walks allowed; 2 homers; ERA of 3.77. I didn't think he was "pretty damn good". I thought he was a disappointment. But I think Graves would be much worse. I saw Scott Sullivan pitch in person in 3 games that season and he was booed off the mound each time. Based simply off that I have to say HELL NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 From ESPN.com - Closer Danny Graves was let go by the Cincinnati Reds on Monday, a day after he made an obscene hand gesture at a fan taunting him over his latest poor performance. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2066723 I don't know if I'm late posting this but this would be a great opportunity for the Sox to grab some cheap bullpen help, what do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34143 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerB's Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Ok, thanks, someone delete this before I look like a bigger fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ May 23, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) Ok, thanks, someone delete this before I look like a bigger fool Heh, that's okay. I've done it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Foulke has a 7.29 ERA. Would you pass on him too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ May 23, 2005 -> 05:47 PM) No team will want to pick up the rest of the $6M salary so it may take a while before he lands somewhere. All he has to do is clear waivers. Than the Reds owe him the 6 million and if he signs with another team the Reds owe him the 6 mill - the league minimum. All the Sox would have to pay him is league minimum once he clears waivers (and he will). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 A wagner experience> watching vizcaino pitch until wagner gives up four runs and everyone cries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 24, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) Foulke has a 7.29 ERA. Would you pass on him too? But if he was pitching in the NL, he'd be SO much better right? :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISF Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 24, 2005 -> 04:18 AM) Foulke has a 7.29 ERA. Would you pass on him too? Why yes, I would. Foulke is toast. He looks as good as Luisa this year. Why go after Graves? He always puts runners on. The only difference now is that he's getting lit up like a xmas tree after putting guys on. Bring up Baj. Give him a shot before we go looking outside the org. If he can't cut it, there are plenty of available arms, and my search would start with Danys Baez in Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 23, 2005 -> 06:35 PM) Um, was it just me or did Scott Sullivan do pretty damn good? I loved Sully, he was clutch for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Why yes, I would. Foulke is toast. He looks as good as Luisa this year. Why go after Graves? He always puts runners on. The only difference now is that he's getting lit up like a xmas tree after putting guys on. Bring up Baj. Give him a shot before we go looking outside the org. If he can't cut it, there are plenty of available arms, and my search would start with Danys Baez in Tampa. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just an FYI -- Danny Baez has 3 blown saves in 7 save opportunites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 25, 2005 -> 12:19 AM) Just an FYI -- Danny Baez has 3 blown saves in 7 save opportunites. He also has a 4-0 record and a 2.70 ERA. Splits of .217/.321/.304. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Correct me if I'm wrong (and I shouldn't be), the Reds have 10 days to trade, release or outright him to the Minors. Now, with Levine's reports of a Flubs trade for a left-handed out fielder and a RP on the horizon, I think you are going to see the Cubs land both Adam Dunn and Danny Graves...just something to keep an eye on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ May 25, 2005 -> 12:25 AM) Correct me if I'm wrong (and I shouldn't be), the Reds have 10 days to trade, release or outright him to the Minors. Now, with Levine's reports of a Flubs trade for a left-handed out fielder and a RP on the horizon, I think you are going to see the Cubs land both Adam Dunn and Danny Graves...just something to keep an eye on. It would have to be a hell of a package for the Reds to give up Dunn. They could quite easily get a guy like Pena or Kearns for much, much less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 24, 2005 -> 08:27 AM) It would have to be a hell of a package for the Reds to give up Dunn. They could quite easily get a guy like Pena or Kearns for much, much less. I know you aren't in Chicago to hear this guy's reports, but he said it's going to be a trade with a National League ballclub for a "big-name" left-handed OF and a RP. A) Kearns is a righty B ) Neither Kearns nor Willy Mo are considered "big-name" C) With 13 HR already on the season, Dunn is a good power-number left-hander for the Cubs to consider D) The Reds are basiclly out of contension, making anyone expendable and the team believed to make the trade with the Cubs is said to be scouting the minor league system right now, and lord knows the Cubs have a ton of talent in AA. EDIT: Another name to watch is Cliff Floyd; yes, the Mets are still in contension, but Hendry has a tremdous relationship with Floyd and the Mets may find him expendible after checking out a guy like DuBois and some AA pitching. Edited May 24, 2005 by AddisonStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 (edited) It looks like Kenny may be interested in Graves... http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...rtswhitesox-hed The Sox have a chance to strengthen their bullpen even more now that Cincinnati designated closer Danny Graves for assignment. The Reds have 10 days to trade or waive Graves, 31, who has 182 career saves. "We're always looking to get better," Williams said Monday night. Sox manager Ozzie Guillen was stunned to learn of Graves' designation. "Wow," he said before the game. "That's the kind of kid who has had a lot of success." How about a Vizcaino for Graves swap with the Reds picking up most of Graves' contract? Otherwise, Graves will likely clear waivers and the Reds will get nothing for him. Edited May 24, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ May 25, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) I know you aren't in Chicago to hear this guy's reports, but he said it's going to be a trade with a National League ballclub for a "big-name" left-handed OF and a RP. A) Kearns is a righty B ) Neither Kearns nor Willy Mo are considered "big-name" C) With 13 HR already on the season, Dunn is a good power-number left-hander for the Cubs to consider D) The Reds are basiclly out of contension, making anyone expendable and the team believed to make the trade with the Cubs is said to be scouting the minor league system right now, and lord knows the Cubs have a ton of talent in AA. EDIT: Another name to watch is Cliff Floyd; yes, the Mets are still in contension, but Hendry has a tremdous relationship with Floyd and the Mets may find him expendible after checking out a guy like DuBois and some AA pitching. I just couldn't believe that the Reds would give up on Dunn. He's a guy who's not even in him prime yet, and is a fantastic OBP and power guy. Meh, well they did give Eric Milton a 25.5 million, 3 year deal. The Mets could very well give up on Floyd now, since they now consider Mike Cameron a key player, and they'd want to get Victor Diaz playing everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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