southsideirish Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 I have a question. If we do acquire Chavez then what do we do with Josh Fields? I thought our organizations loved him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ May 27, 2005 -> 11:08 AM) I have a question. If we do acquire Chavez then what do we do with Josh Fields? I thought our organizations loved him? I heard suggestions about him playing 1B. I don't know...he's still a prospect. I would love to get Chavez, but didn't we already determine that Chavez won't be on the market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ May 27, 2005 -> 11:08 AM) I have a question. If we do acquire Chavez then what do we do with Josh Fields? I thought our organizations loved him? Trade him for a reliever. Wait, should that be in green? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Finkelstein @ May 27, 2005 -> 04:01 PM) Next year's opening day lineup: LF Podsednik 2B Iguchi RF Ichiro 1B D Lee CF Crawford C Olivo 3B Figgins DH Pierre SS Furcal Speed and Defense!!! Payroll for 2006 with that line up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Steff @ May 27, 2005 -> 08:04 AM) A great team...?? Uhhh, no. A great set of pitchers... yes. What do we need.....? Oh.. how about 6 guys that can hit the ball instead of wetting themselves at the plate. Totally agree with you there. The suggestion that our hitting is fine based on the quality of our record is insane. We have 3 regulars (Pods, Iguchi, AJ) who have lived up to or exceeded expectations. The rest have all had dissappointing seasons (to put it mildly); I don't see how they could be defended. Here's the batting averages from yesterday's boxscore after the first 2 spots in the order: .262 .237 .237 .264 .232 .212 .234 .273 .257 .189 :puke The semi-respectable .273 belongs to Willie Harris, BTW. It's really a miracle we're in first place with that type of lineup. EDIT: We're LAST in all of baseball with a .234 BA against right handed pitchers. Edited May 27, 2005 by Frankensteiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ May 27, 2005 -> 04:36 PM) Totally agree with you there. The suggestion that our hitting is fine based on the quality of our record is insane. We have 3 regulars (Pods, Iguchi, AJ) who have lived up to or exceeded expectations. The rest have all had dissappointing seasons (to put it mildly); I don't see how they could be defended. Here's the batting averages from yesterday's boxscore after the first 2 spots in the order: .262 .237 .237 .264 .232 .212 .234 .273 .257 .189 :puke The semi-respectable .273 belongs to Willie Harris, BTW. It's really a miracle we're in first place with that type of lineup. EDIT: We're LAST in all of baseball with a .234 BA against right handed pitchers. that's what people look at when they say we're not as good as our record, or that we'll come back down to earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ May 27, 2005 -> 07:04 AM) A great team...?? Uhhh, no. A great set of pitchers... yes. What do we need.....? Oh.. how about 6 guys that can hit the ball instead of wetting themselves at the plate. This pitching staff with last year's offense would've won the division by a large margin. The only reason and I mean only reason we're winning is because of pitching. This offense minus Pods and Gooch is a dissapointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Hey, the Hitless Wonders of 1906 averaged out at .253 and they won the world series..... We need an offense thats what we need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 (edited) The thing that's driving me nuts about this team is the fact that almost everyone save Pods, Iguchi, and Crede are right now hitting far below their career averages. Just look at the numbers career this year Dye .269 .212 Kong .276 .237 Everett .275 .232 Arow .286 .262 Uribe .263 .237 A.J. .292 .264 Crede .254 .238 That's just remarkable in my eyes...in our starting lineup, we have only 2 guys who aren't hitting well below their career batting averages...Iguchi (a rookie) and Podsednik, who is hitting his career average. By the numbers, it's still almost impossible for me to believe that this mess won't improve. You can't just have 7 guys suddenly get worse all in 1 season. The odds against that are just enormous. At some point this season, our numbers are going to regress towards their career mean numbers. Even if they don't get all the way there, those are huge differences to make up. These guys are better hitters than what we're seeing now. What we need is for them to act like they are supposed to. Edited May 27, 2005 by Balta1701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 27, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) The thing that's driving me nuts about this team is the fact that almost everyone save Pods, Iguchi, and Crede are right now hitting far below their career averages. Just look at the numbers career this year Dye .269 .212 Kong .276 .237 Everett .275 .232 Arow .286 .262 Uribe .263 .237 A.J. .292 .264 Crede .254 .238 That's just remarkable in my eyes...in our starting lineup, we have only 2 guys who aren't hitting well below their career batting averages...Iguchi (a rookie) and Podsednik, who is hitting his career average. By the numbers, it's still almost impossible for me to believe that this mess won't improve. You can't just have 7 guys suddenly get worse all in 1 season. The odds against that are just enormous. At some point this season, our numbers are going to regress towards their career mean numbers. Even if they don't get all the way there, those are huge differences to make up. These guys are better hitters than what we're seeing now. What we need is for them to act like they are supposed to. Cruddy is not a better hitt than what you are seeing. What you see is what you get. Everyone just needs to stop listening to Walker. This pull baseball crap has got to stop. AJ is now his latest guy he has "tweaked". AJ's power numbers will go up, but now he will pull the ball more to the 1st baseman. Uribe is a streaky hitter. He swings out his ass. Arow is on his way back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:24 PM) This pitching staff with last year's offense would've won the division by a large margin. The only reason and I mean only reason we're winning is because of pitching. This offense minus Pods and Gooch is a dissapointment Last year's offense before Maggs and Frank went down maybe. Not the feast or famine garbage we saw after that. Guys need to be benched and Walker needs to be on the hot seat. This is not our 1st year with a wierd, underachieving offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ May 27, 2005 -> 12:29 PM) Last year's offense before Maggs and Frank went down maybe. Not the feast or famine garbage we saw after that. Guys need to be benched and Walker needs to be on the hot seat. This is not our 1st year with a wierd, underachieving offense. Well of course not. I think what you see from PK is the real PK when he doesn't have massive protection in the lineup. If Frank isn't in there, and Carl isn't hitting in back of him, PK is screwed. Like I've said since 2003, Paul Konerko cannot carry an offense. He's best suited when he's the #3 power hitter on the team. He is useless otherwise. I don't like Gload that much at all, but hell, bring him on. Even with the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 27, 2005 -> 06:53 PM) Well of course not. I think what you see from PK is the real PK when he doesn't have massive protection in the lineup. If Frank isn't in there, and Carl isn't hitting in back of him, PK is screwed. Like I've said since 2003, Paul Konerko cannot carry an offense. He's best suited when he's the #3 power hitter on the team. He is useless otherwise. I don't like Gload that much at all, but hell, bring him on. Even with the injury. I wish Gload, Ozuna and even Willie would get hotter n s***, just to put some pressure on Cruddy, Palsy and Urine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzo2733 Posted May 27, 2005 Author Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ May 27, 2005 -> 07:04 AM) A great team...?? Uhhh, no. A great set of pitchers... yes. What do we need.....? Oh.. how about 6 guys that can hit the ball instead of wetting themselves at the plate. Yeah, I know but if I don't say so then I'd get jumped on by people saying I should just enjoy the year. It was a disclaimer ms. doable one. Back to topic, I like the thought of having Chavez in between Frank and Pauly. Although he's batting like .220 with and OBP of less that .300. I think I'm willing to give up Crede and Anderson for him. He would have to show signs of hitting first though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Mackowiak is a much more likely, and realistic option to be traded for than Chavez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzo2733 Posted May 27, 2005 Author Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ May 27, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) Mackowiak is a much more likely, and realistic option to be traded for than Chavez. If we're gonna go after an outfielder I'd like him to be better than Mackowiak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(mrzo2733 @ May 27, 2005 -> 12:15 PM) If we're gonna go after an outfielder I'd like him to be better than Mackowiak. I think the fact is...when you look around MLB, there's not going to be much available for a non-obscene price that is better htan Machowiak. No matter what, we'd be trying to replace a guy who was struggling, and we'd likely be trying to do it with another guy who is struggling on his own (look at the recent threads here - Chavez, Lowell, etc.) Otherwise...the cost for an upgrade will be astronomical, especially when the Red Sox and Yankees get into the fray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(mrzo2733 @ May 27, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) If we're gonna go after an outfielder I'd like him to be better than Mackowiak. Mackowiak has been playing a lot of 3rd base this season for Pitt. With his strong lefty bat, he'd be a perfect fit for our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzo2733 Posted May 27, 2005 Author Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ May 27, 2005 -> 01:19 PM) Mackowiak has been playing a lot of 3rd base this season for Pitt. With his strong lefty bat, he'd be a perfect fit for our team. I didn't know that. You're right that does make sense then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Why not go after Ryan Freel? Right now he is hitting .322 with 12 stolen bases. He can play practicaly anywhere, and he would most likely be cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 I've always liked Mackowiak, I think that's the best and most realistic name out there right now. I love that .347 avg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(sayitanitso @ May 27, 2005 -> 04:48 PM) Why not go after Ryan Freel? Right now he is hitting .322 with 12 stolen bases. He can play practicaly anywhere, and he would most likely be cheap. Who do you think will be cheaper, a 29 year old super utility man that they control for years to come, or a 35 year old 3rd baseman that is a free agent at the end of the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 We need a bat that can hit .300. We need a long reliver, if Bmac goes back to Charlotte when Duque returns. We also may need a SP if the Cuban's have injury promblems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 (edited) I've always liked Mackowiak, I think that's the best and most realistic name out there right now. I love that .347 avg. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> People bashed me when I suggested trading for Mackowiak in the offseason saying he was no better than Cruddy. DOH! This is the guy many people didn't want over Cruddy... Rob Mackowiak 118 AB .347 AVG .425 OBP .492 SLG .917 OPS 3 HR 18 RBI 4 SB 15 BB 22 SO Mackowiak makes Cruddy look like the second coming of Chris Snopek. Edited May 27, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:59 PM) People bashed me when I suggested trading for Mackowiak in the offseason saying he was no better than Cruddy. DOH! This is the guy many people didn't want over Cruddy... Rob Mackowiak Mackowiak makes Cruddy look like the second coming of Chris Snopek. Mackowiak is extremely valueable seeing how he can play atleast 4 postitions well. The only problem would be prying him away from the pirates. The fans have fallen in love with him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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