Jabroni Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Mackowiak is extremely valueable seeing how he can play atleast 4 postitions well. The only problem would be prying him away from the pirates. The fans have fallen in love with him there. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's why it would have been key to trade for him before the season started. Coming into the season, they thought that Ty Wiggington would be their starter at 3rd base but he has sucked so Mackowiak is getting a lot of starts there instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 While Mackowiak would be a decent addition, I really think we need to add to the middle of the order or power in general. Our middle of the order is atrocious. In reality, the expectations for Carl were/are too high. Outside from his Texas/Sox season a few years back, he's quite bad. I know we all wish he would return to that, but he hasn't and doesn't look to. Frank is a big question mark still. Dye is not the answer in the middle of the order either. Pauly is Pauly, but he can't do it by himself. Chavez would be perfect. Moves everyone down a slot in the order and makes this offense respectable. I hope it becomes feasible. Adding what we hope is a healthy and productive Frank and Eric Chavez. Wow. All this Fields talk about how he's the long term solution and people don't want to take on a long contract like Chavez because of Josh, Fields is still very raw and might never be the answer. To worry about whether a player like Chavez blocks Fields' path in 3 years is nuts, in my opinion. If Fields turns out to be solid, the Sox will find a way to play him or trade him for something we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 27, 2005 -> 06:28 PM) Looking at Mac's numbers this year, he would look to be a great pickup, and like Fathom said, certainly not out of the question. I would also like to throw Adam Dunn's name out there again. While he is an OF, he is a LH bat who hits for a TON of power, and while has alot of K's, also a good number of walks. With that, the entire Reds team is up for sale, so he can defenitly be had. For a huge price. I don't care how badly the Reds suck, it will take a nice package to land Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) Looking at Mac's numbers this year, he would look to be a great pickup, and like Fathom said, certainly not out of the question. I would also like to throw Adam Dunn's name out there again. While he is an OF, he is a LH bat who hits for a TON of power, and while has alot of K's, also a good number of walks. With that, the entire Reds team is up for sale, so he can defenitly be had. I was listening to the radio this morning and there was talk about Dunn becoming available. Of course this was when the Cub fans were talking about saving their season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:30 PM) For a huge price. I don't care how badly the Reds suck, it will take a nice package to land Dunn. Did Dunn just sign an extension? What's his contract status? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ May 27, 2005 -> 01:39 AM) I don't think our needs have been clearly established yet. Sure we can use some more hitting, but who and where? I believe KW is exploring possibilities out there as we speak, and may be able to pull the trigger on a major deal ... like for Chavez. When we get closer to July 31, he'll be focused on plugging holes. Agreed. First I want to see how the offense performs once Frank comes back who knows he might provide a jolt to the whole team. The one guy I'm worried about is Crede, I'm willing to give him another month or so but I'm not 100 percent sure he'll turn it around. As far as Juan I'm positive he'll be fine he's just streaky we all knew that coming into this year and he's just in a down streak right now. Like Yas said, I'm 100 percent sure if Frank comes back and the offense continues to struggle overall that Kenny will go out and find someone to help the offense probably at 3rd base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) Looking at Mac's numbers this year, he would look to be a great pickup, and like Fathom said, certainly not out of the question. I would also like to throw Adam Dunn's name out there again. While he is an OF, he is a LH bat who hits for a TON of power, and while has alot of K's, also a good number of walks. With that, the entire Reds team is up for sale, so he can defenitly be had. Adam Dunn would be the most amazing pick up of all time. Not only would we be able to throw him in the outfield for this year but then he takes over for Pauly next year at 1st when Anderson takes over in rf. Wow, the thought of Dunn in a sox uni just puts a smile on my face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:41 PM) Adam Dunn would be the most amazing pick up of all time. Not only would we be able to throw him in the outfield for this year but then he takes over for Pauly next year at 1st when Anderson takes over in rf. Wow, the thought of Dunn in a sox uni just puts a smile on my face. It definitely would be a tremendous pickup. Left handed w/ extreme power. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to think he could hit 55 HR in the Cell if he continues to develop. Belle-esque... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ May 27, 2005 -> 04:46 PM) It definitely would be a tremendous pickup. Left handed w/ extreme power. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to think he could hit 55 HR in the Cell if he continues to develop. Belle-esque... I'm sorry, but I just don't see how calling someone "Belle-esque" is a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 27, 2005 -> 06:48 PM) I'm sorry, but I just don't see how calling someone "Belle-esque" is a compliment. Appearently you've never seen his career numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:48 PM) I'm sorry, but I just don't see how calling someone "Belle-esque" is a compliment. Belle was one hell of a hitter, he might have been an asshole but he could flat out rake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) Belle was one hell of a hitter, he might have been an asshole but he could flat out rake. No doubt about that. In his prime Belle was amazing. JR surprised us with his signing back in the day, maybe he'll surprise us with an Adam Dunn trade... Edited May 28, 2005 by sircaffey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:59 PM) No doubt about that. In his prime Belle was amazing. JR surprised us with his signing back in the day, maybe he'll surprise us with an Adam Dunn trade... It seems like such a pipe dream but I wouldn't put anything past kenny..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(Finkelstein @ May 27, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) Rowand .262 Konerko .237 Everett .232 Dye .212 Crede .234 Uribe .237 The Sox need these guys to hit near their career avgs [which they probably will], the starting pitching to not drop off that much, and the bullpen to throw strikes. Frank coming back should help the other hitters. He doesn't have to "carry" the load. Just be a dangerous hitter like he was in 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ May 27, 2005 -> 06:31 PM) Did Dunn just sign an extension? What's his contract status? Adam Dunn: signed deal for 2005 season worth 4.6M on 1/17/05 Service Time: 3.074 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(qwerty @ May 27, 2005 -> 03:56 PM) Who do you think will be cheaper, a 29 year old super utility man that they control for years to come, or a 35 year old 3rd baseman that is a free agent at the end of the year? Probaly the 35 year old third basemen, but whose career numbers are better? 2001 PIT 83 214 30 57 15 2 4 21 15 52 4 3 .266 .319 .411 .730 2002 PIT 136 385 57 94 22 0 16 48 42 120 9 3 .244 .328 .426 .754 2003 PIT 77 174 20 47 4 4 6 19 15 53 6 0 .270 .342 .443 .785 2004 PIT 155 491 65 121 22 6 17 75 50 114 13 4 .246 .319 .420 .739 2005 PIT 39 118 18 41 8 0 3 18 15 22 4 3 .347 .425 .492 .917 Career 490 1382 190 360 71 12 46 181 137 361 36 13 .260 .334 .429 .763 or 2001 TOR 9 22 1 6 1 0 0 3 1 4 2 1 .273 .333 .318 .652 2003 CIN 43 137 23 39 6 1 4 12 9 13 9 4 .285 .344 .431 .775 2004 CIN 143 505 74 140 21 8 3 28 67 88 37 10 .277 .375 .368 .743 2005 CIN 37 115 25 37 10 1 1 4 20 16 12 6 .322 .435 .452 .887 Career 232 779 123 222 38 10 8 47 97 121 60 21 .285 .378 .390 .768 Edited May 28, 2005 by sayitanitso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(sayitanitso @ May 27, 2005 -> 08:51 PM) Probaly the 35 year old third basemen, but whose career numbers are better? 2001 PIT 83 214 30 57 15 2 4 21 15 52 4 3 .266 .319 .411 .730 2002 PIT 136 385 57 94 22 0 16 48 42 120 9 3 .244 .328 .426 .754 2003 PIT 77 174 20 47 4 4 6 19 15 53 6 0 .270 .342 .443 .785 2004 PIT 155 491 65 121 22 6 17 75 50 114 13 4 .246 .319 .420 .739 2005 PIT 39 118 18 41 8 0 3 18 15 22 4 3 .347 .425 .492 .917 Career 490 1382 190 360 71 12 46 181 137 361 36 13 .260 .334 .429 .763 or 2001 TOR 9 22 1 6 1 0 0 3 1 4 2 1 .273 .333 .318 .652 2003 CIN 43 137 23 39 6 1 4 12 9 13 9 4 .285 .344 .431 .775 2004 CIN 143 505 74 140 21 8 3 28 67 88 37 10 .277 .375 .368 .743 2005 CIN 37 115 25 37 10 1 1 4 20 16 12 6 .322 .435 .452 .887 Career 232 779 123 222 38 10 8 47 97 121 60 21 .285 .378 .390 .768 I was talking about randa. Mackowiak is only 28 and not on the reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 O ok, my bad. (i thought you were talking about freel. and i do know that mackowiak is not on the reds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 we need a guy who gets walks, reaches base, aka frank thomas, and thats it, if dye isnt hitting lately or everett then we trade them for preston wilson who is well rounded and can play all outfield and fits into our small ball system, and its just as easy to hit in the cell just as it is with coors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ May 28, 2005 -> 03:29 AM) we need a guy who gets walks, reaches base, aka frank thomas, and thats it, if dye isnt hitting lately or everett then we trade them for preston wilson who is well rounded and can play all outfield and fits into our small ball system, and its just as easy to hit in the cell just as it is with coors Preston Wilson fits the smallball style? Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ May 27, 2005 -> 10:29 PM) we need a guy who gets walks, reaches base, aka frank thomas, and thats it, if dye isnt hitting lately or everett then we trade them for preston wilson who is well rounded and can play all outfield and fits into our small ball system, and its just as easy to hit in the cell just as it is with coors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 Preston Wilson strikes out a ton, is often injured, and makes a fortune. He might be one of the worst players we could possibly trade for. Only maybe Mike Piazza would be a worse possibility for our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 we need a guy who gets walks, reaches base, aka frank thomas, and thats it, if dye isnt hitting lately or everett then we trade them for preston wilson who is well rounded and can play all outfield and fits into our small ball system, and its just as easy to hit in the cell just as it is with coors <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Preston Wilson = Jermaine Dye with more speed and the ability to play CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 27, 2005 -> 11:37 PM) Preston Wilson = Jermaine Dye with more speed and the ability to play CF. CF = Aaron Rowand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 Preston Wilson = Timo Perez (with more power, more salary, and right handed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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