knightni Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Would this trade be possible/feasable? Polanco to the Sox for Vizcaino, Walker and Timo? Would it be enough for Philly to consider it? Would the Sox go for it? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 I think philly would want at least 1 prospect. Sean tracey maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ May 31, 2005 -> 09:55 PM) Would this trade be possible/feasable? Polanco to the Sox for Vizcaino, Walker and Timo? Would it be enough for Philly to consider it? Would the Sox go for it? Thoughts? Ya, I'd think Philly would consider it. Make it Diaz instead of Walker and I think you'd get yourself a deal. Hell thats not too bad of a deal. The Sox would add about 2 mill in payroll while the Phils would cut two mill and potentially add some depth to their pen (it needs it too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 01:57 AM) I think philly would want at least 1 prospect. Sean tracey maybe? I think that Philly would want a hitting prospect more. They have a decent amount of young SP/RPs that are a few years away from being effective in the bigs. The Phils need a CF/leadoff guy - maybe Viz/Willie/Jerry Owens might pique their interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 I gotta be honest...I like Willie a whole lot and would be hard pressed to deal him in many trades. I just think he's a valuable asset and I realize I'm blind in this situation (because he really has nowhere to play with Guchi and Uribe here) but there is no doubt in my mind that he'll become at worse a quality big league 2nd baseman. At best, he'll be a pretty damn good top of the order guy who also plays very very good defense. Willie is probably one of the most underrated defensive players in the majors. The guy is just MR. consistent over at 2nd base and he has very good range. Plus Willie really does have an awesome attitude. He gets dissapointed that he's not starting but I always remember stories of him saying he'll do whatever it takes to help the club win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 You know what...this may be the most sensible outline for a trade that i've ever seen here. I don't think it'll happen without swapping in 1 young guy, but this one actually has a decent amount of logic to it...maybe even on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 02:15 AM) You know what...this may be the most sensible outline for a trade that i've ever seen here. I don't think it'll happen without swapping in 1 young guy, but this one actually has a decent amount of logic to it...maybe even on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 (edited) No, and the reason is not the players, it's the money... Viz, Walk, and Timo would be about $3M in salary, compared to Polanco's $4.something. That's not much savings. If offered just one prospect from another team, that's got to look better to Philly than the package you proposed. On top of that, Philly is probably not looking to pick up extra players on the 40-man. Polanco for Viz, Walk, and Timo would mean they would have to clear two spots on their 40-man, putting two of their prospects in danger. That's not going to happen. They'd probably be looking for something in a need on their major league roster, and a decent prospect, i.e. one they don't need to put on the 40-man yet, or just one organizational top 10 prospect. Edited June 1, 2005 by Gene Honda Civic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ May 31, 2005 -> 10:57 PM) No, and the reason is not the players, it's the money... Viz, Walk, and Timo would be about $2M in salary, compared to Polanco's $4.something. If offered just one prospect from another team, that's got to look better to Philly than the package you proposed. On top of that, Philly is probably not looking to pick up extra players on the 40-man. Polanco for Viz, Walk, and Timo would mean they would have to clear two spots on their 40-man, putting two of their prospects in danger. That's not going to happen. They'd probably be looking for something in a need on their major league roster, and a decent prospect, i.e. one they don't need to put on the 40-man yet, or just one organizational top 10 prospect. I do think they would have interest in Viz though. Heck, Viz, Spidale and another mid-level type of prospect may do it. Heck Borchard could even be that guy. If thats the case they save about 3 mill, get a reliever who maybe could get his crap back together moving back to the NL and well who knows what they get in Borch. It depends on how desperate they are to get rid of Polanco and sometimes the stuff I read makes it seem like they just want him gone. They weren't happy when he accepted arb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 They would be much happier with a WIllie for Polanco trade straight up. Though I don't know why we would want to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ May 31, 2005 -> 11:08 PM) They would be much happier with a WIllie for Polanco trade straight up. Though I don't know why we would want to do that. Wow I'm surprised someone else would be leery to do something along those lines. I figured everyone and there brother would be all over a deal like that. But than again I like Willie more than the average person I still say the Sox need a left handed hitter and Polanco doesn't fit the bill. I'm more than happy with Guchi and Polanco would be a nice addition, however I don't think he'd be the best addition (I want to see the Sox do whatever it takes to get a good left handed hitting 3rd baseman or OF). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 (edited) I'd rather have Mackowiak. He can play 3B, 2B, RF, LF, and CF. Polanco can play 2B, 3B, and SS but we already have Willie to backup 2B and Ozuna to backup SS. Also, we need a lefty 3rd baseman, not a righty. We are struggling to hit righties. Edited June 1, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 I like Wee Willie and Pablo too. I think they are effective role players. Its just finding someone to replace Crede and to me its something thats drastically needed. Hopefully someone that can provide a left handed stick from the 5 spot, pushing down AJP to the 7 hole. Mackoviac would be nice though. The Sox could have Ozuna or someone else play 3B against lefties. I think the Pirates would want Crede in a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Chisoxfn said: I like Wee Willie and Pablo too. I think they are effective role players. Its just finding someone to replace Crede and to me its something thats drastically needed. Hopefully someone that can provide a left handed stick from the 5 spot, pushing down AJP to the 7 hole. Mackoviac would be nice though. The Sox could have Ozuna or someone else play 3B against lefties. I think the Pirates would want Crede in a deal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Crede for Mackowiak? Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 03:13 AM) Crede for Mackowiak? Done. Tru dat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 11:13 PM) Crede for Mackowiak? Done. I don't know what the Pirates have at 3rd aside from him. However I think they'd consider a Crede and Munoz or Diaz and a lower level guy for Mackoviak. Am I crazy to think that? Crede could play everyday for them and is a better defensive 3rd baseman (I know teams are gonna still take a shot on Crede and hope the change of scenery could help him) while they'd also get a guy who could help out their pitching staff. Hell maybe Joey B as the 3rd prospect in the deal. To me I see why the Pirates would make it and it makes sense for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 03:13 AM) Crede for Mackowiak? Done. Yep, and I'll even throw in a CLUTCH OMIT Perez!! He is a great utility man!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 (edited) Chisoxfn said: I don't know what the Pirates have at 3rd aside from him. However I think they'd consider a Crede and Munoz or Diaz and a lower level guy for Mackoviak. Am I crazy to think that? Crede could play everyday for them and is a better defensive 3rd baseman (I know teams are gonna still take a shot on Crede and hope the change of scenery could help him) while they'd also get a guy who could help out their pitching staff. Hell maybe Joey B as the 3rd prospect in the deal. To me I see why the Pirates would make it and it makes sense for the Sox. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ty Wiggington, whom they got in the Kris Benson trade at last season's trade deadline. He has been a massive bust for them so far, hence Mackowiak getting a lot of playing time at 3rd base. Wiggington was the starter going into the season. Edited June 1, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 11:18 PM) Ty Wiggington, whom they got in the Kris Benson trade at last season's trading deadline. He has been a massive bust for them so far, hence Mackowiak getting a lot of playing time at 3rd base. It may take a little more to get Mackoviak. Maybe one of the midlevel prospects. I wouldn't give up someone in the Sean Tracey range but even a guy like Andy Gonzalez (the SS) in addition to Diaz or Munoz, and Crede. The thing is he wasn't exactly amazing last year, but he was solid. Career wise, it seems like you could maybe expect .255 to .260 out of him but this year he's been fantastic. I also think you could project about 20 homers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 03:21 AM) It may take a little more to get Mackoviak. Maybe one of the midlevel prospects. I wouldn't give up someone in the Sean Tracey range but even a guy like Andy Gonzalez (the SS) in addition to Diaz or Munoz, and Crede. The thing is he wasn't exactly amazing last year, but he was solid. Career wise, it seems like you could maybe expect .255 to .260 out of him but this year he's been fantastic. I also think you could project about 20 homers. Then wouldn't we be trying to get him at the worst possible time? Pittsburgh will obviously be asking for alot more than we wanna give, given the numbers Mack is putting up currently. Guy is hitting 71 points over his career Batting Average...Pitt will be asking for more than we should be giving at this point for an inconsistant bat to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Chisoxfn said: It may take a little more to get Mackoviak. Maybe one of the midlevel prospects. I wouldn't give up someone in the Sean Tracey range but even a guy like Andy Gonzalez (the SS) in addition to Diaz or Munoz, and Crede. The thing is he wasn't exactly amazing last year, but he was solid. Career wise, it seems like you could maybe expect .255 to .260 out of him but this year he's been fantastic. I also think you could project about 20 homers. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Crede and Joey B. for Mackowiak. Let's dump our garbage on them. Hell, they let the Flubs do it to them. Why not us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Hell that could even be too much for Rob. Rob's a solid player, who fills a definate need or two. At the same time he's playing over his head this year as opposed to previous years. However I think he's a pretty solid player. You gain more offensively as opposed to Crede but the question I have is whether he could handle 3rd base every day. If he couldn't I'd probably rather mortgage some chips and go after Huff or Chavez or someone along those lines. Either one of them are guys that could make this offense a whole lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 02:21 AM) It may take a little more to get Mackoviak. Maybe one of the midlevel prospects. I wouldn't give up someone in the Sean Tracey range but even a guy like Andy Gonzalez (the SS) in addition to Diaz or Munoz, and Crede. The thing is he wasn't exactly amazing last year, but he was solid. Career wise, it seems like you could maybe expect .255 to .260 out of him but this year he's been fantastic. I also think you could project about 20 homers. His average ( in previous years) has left some to be desired. If he didn't walk at the rate he does we would have another timo on are hands that can play more positions. So hell he would already be more valuable than that garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 1, 2005 Author Share Posted June 1, 2005 So... Pitt might take "garbage" for Mackowiak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 03:32 AM) So... Pitt might take "garbage" for Mackowiak? Garbage? This is OMIT f***ING PEREZ we're talking here!! Didn't you see that clutch hit 2 days ago? This guy is amazing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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