*Official* Eric Chavez Speculation/Dream Thread

[RockRaines]

anyone who bats near Frank usually has an increase in average. Tells you how important the big man is.

s***, he can barely hit right now and K-rod wanted nothing to do with him last night. Not to mention having some speedy guys ahead of him and some more dominant leaders in the clubhouse. Ahhhhhhhhhhh

[Dick Allen]

Right! Similar to what Pods said he did with Milwaukee last season. He simply tried to do too much. After Pods went back to what he knows how to get on base and didn't try too hard to too other things he turned back into the player he was in his rookie season.

If Chavez is in a new atmosphere and realizes he wont need to do as much in this lineup as they expect him to due in Oakland- we will see a BIG increase in his average and his hitting.

 

Why wouldn't he need to do as much in the White Sox line-up? If the job requires little, why trade one of the best starting pitcher prospects in baseball, a guy who plays the same position and has better numbers than him, and pick up the balance of his huge contract? If you trade for Chavez, which the White Sox are not by the way, you are going to expect huge production. Its not as if the weight of the world will be off his shoulders.

[Adam G]

THIS TRADE IS NOT HAPPENING. IT IS A RUMOR. NOTHING MORE.

And rumor is all it is going to be until it happens. KW learned his lesson about blabbing to the media in the Vizquel fiasco.

[beck72]

Found an article on Chavez. Mentions golf as his passion along w/ Jermaine Dye.

 

http://espn.go.com/magazine/life_icebreaker_020809.html

[sircaffey]

I think you can throw Eric's numbers somewhat out the window. Sure he isn't hitting thus far like he is capable, but can you really expect a player to perform to his full abilities in the situation that he is? It's an absolutely terrible situation to be in. You just signed a long term contract for a team you thought would be contending for a long time, and then just after you sign it, the team starts a rebuilding process. He's gotta feel abandoned somewhat. Stuck in a 6 year commitment for a rebuilding team. Wow, that's just flat out dirty.

 

Eric would strive here. I have no doubts about it. Eric Chavez is not a one year wonder. He's a proven run producer. 27 year old stud. Gold Glover that would bring some national attention to this team.

 

For those who think he's overpaid, just look around the league right now. Look at the free agent market. It's ridiculous. Chavez, entiring his prime years by the way, could turn out to be a steal at 11 mil. We can't get a player of Eric's quality for less.

 

Mmmm...Chavez replacing Crede is a mindbogling upgrade.

[RockRaines]

He's still in low A but regardless he's been exceptional so far.

Word is he will be in W-S soon. I think that Gio and Liotta are going to be studs in the upcoming years. The knock on Gio was his family issues, but apparently those dont get in the way of his DOMINATION of Kanny.

 

Liotta 4-0 2.45 62.1 IP 54 K's 14BB

Gio 4-2 1.77 45.2 IP 71 k's 18BB

 

anyone else drooling?

Edited June 2, 2005 by RockRaines

[Be Good]

He's battin 218 4 HR and 24. 218, that's all we need another guy who's going to hit in the low .200's. Yes his carrer stats are something like this 280 25 100. But as we learned from Uribe, PK, Dead that carrer stats do mean everything. If we are going to even think about shipping BMac, be better get a 300 30 100 guy.

[Rowand44]

Word is he will be in W-S soon. 

Ya, I'm sure he'll be up there soon.

[sircaffey]

Why wouldn't he need to do as much in the White Sox line-up? If the job requires little, why trade one of the best starting pitcher prospects in baseball, a guy who plays the same position and has better numbers than him, and pick up the balance of his huge contract? If you trade for Chavez, which the White Sox are not by the way, you are going to expect huge production. Its not as if the weight of the world will be off his shoulders.

 

 

Being the 1 run producer on a team diving down to last place, or being 1 of 3-4 serious run producers on the team with the best record in baseball...It isn't tough to see which situation carries a lot more pressure.

[RockRaines]

Ya, I'm sure he'll be up there soon.

Looks like they have him on the BMAC track, next year, some high A then double A

[Dick Allen]

Wow, sorry Mr. Know-It-All.  It's in the Daily Herald for a reason.  Are you Kenny Williams' or Billy Beane's right-hand man that you know for a fact that this trade won't happen? :rolly

 

Its in the Herald as a rumor. The guy even wrote most rumors are jokes. You want to know where he got this rumor? From the phony who called MJH and said he heard it on sports radio in the Bay Area, or the guy who said Ken Rosenthal said this deal was being discussed, which was proved to false because someone either on this board or WSI e-mailed Rosenthal himself, and he denied ever saying it and doubted it would ever happen. Or he got i tfrom one of the boards. Think about it. The White Sox giving up their gem of a prospect and picking up a huge and long-term contract at the same time? They don't operate like that.

[RockRaines]

Why wouldn't he need to do as much in the White Sox line-up? If the job requires little, why trade one of the best starting pitcher prospects in baseball, a guy who plays the same position and has better numbers than him, and pick up the balance of his huge contract? If you trade for Chavez, which the White Sox are not by the way, you are going to expect huge production. Its not as if the weight of the world will be off his shoulders.

Fact is, he wouldnt be a one-man band on a team of AAA players. He would be another cog in the white sox machine, which is the attitude of this team. And stop it with saying Crede has better numbers than him, wait 3 weeks and tell me if that is the case.

[Dick Allen]

Being the 1 run producer on a team diving down to last place, or being 1 of 3-4 serious run producers on the team with the best record in baseball...It isn't tough to see which situation carries a lot more pressure.

 

How much pressure is it playing on a non-contender?

[drowninginflame]

Go ahead take MCarthy and crede, helloo chavez!

[RockRaines]

Its in the Herald as a rumor. The guy even wrote most rumors are jokes. You want to know where he got this rumor? From the phony who called MJH and said he heard it on sports radio in the Bay Area, or the guy who said Ken Rosenthal said this deal was being discussed, which was proved to false because someone either on this board or WSI e-mailed Rosenthal himself, and he denied ever saying it and doubted it would ever happen. Or he got i tfrom one of the boards. Think about it. The White Sox giving up their gem of a prospect and picking up a huge and long-term contract at the same time? They don't operate like that.

Kind of like giving up jeremy Reed then siging Freddy to a long term contract? :rolly

[beck72]

He's still in low A but regardless he's been exceptional so far.

I thought he was in W/S?

[sircaffey]

If the law of averages has its say on the Chavez situation, then he is due to hit near .310-.315 the rest of the season to finish around his career average...

[Steff]

Its in the Herald as a rumor. The guy even wrote most rumors are jokes. You want to know where he got this rumor? From the phony who called MJH and said he heard it on sports radio in the Bay Area, or the guy who said Ken Rosenthal said this deal was being discussed, which was proved to false because someone either on this board or WSI e-mailed Rosenthal himself, and he denied ever saying it and doubted it would ever happen. Or he got i tfrom one of the boards. Think about it. The White Sox giving up their gem of a prospect and picking up a huge and long-term contract at the same time? They don't operate like that.

 

 

Best start in 70 years.. double digit attendance % increase.. financial room to wiggle.. an exciting buzz that the south side hasn't seen in 10 years.. (debatable) solid rotation..

 

And you think that holding onto a prospect is more important than doing something drastic to improve the offense NOW when there is a chance to make the playoffs and actually win a game rather than watching them piss themselves again...

 

Alrighty..

[RockRaines]

How much pressure is it playing on a non-contender?

Would you like to take your same argument to one thread? Being the only player on a team that is rebuilding, after your GM traded half of your team and friends away, right after another playoff run, while you are expected to contend again. Alot of pressure, especially when you are signed to be the corner stone of the team, and pushed into a leadership role that you are not comfortable with.

[RockRaines]

Best start in 70 years.. double digit attendance % increase.. financial room to wiggle.. an exciting buzz that the south side hasn't seen in 10 years.. (debatable) solid rotation..

 

And you think that holding onto a prospect is more important than doing something drastic to improve the offense NOW when there is a chance to make the playoffs and actually win a game rather than watching them piss themselves again...

 

Alrighty..

[RockRaines]

I thought he was in W/S?

Kanny

[RockRaines]

He's battin 218 4 HR and 24. 218, that's all we need another guy who's going to hit in the low .200's. Yes his carrer stats are something like this 280 25 100.  But as we learned from Uribe, PK, Dead that carrer stats do mean everything. If we are going to even think about shipping BMac, be better get a 300 30 100 guy.

Chavez has better and more consistent career stats then all of those guys just mentioned, not to mention that last year was Juan's second full season playing all the time. Shipping a not for sure prospect to someone will never bring a 300 30 100 guy, unless its on XBOX.

[Steff]

How much pressure is it playing on a non-contender?

 

 

I'd imagine quite a bit for someone who wants to win and cares.

 

Kind of like Paul stressing about this "slump" he's in.

[Dick Allen]

Kind of like giving up jeremy Reed then siging Freddy to a long term contract? :rolly

 

Its an off day. Gives the board a topic to discuss. Most of Freddy's contract last season was picked up by Seattle. They were able to sign him to an extension because the Sox had a ton of $ coming off the books after last season. They do have Konerko perhaps coming of the books next year, and Frank may be bought out for $3.5 million, Everett may go, but Garland should get a huge raise as will AJ and several others. The Sox are in an entirely different position. Even if Oakland picked up most of Chavez's salary this season, which I really doubt they would, they would have a budget problem in 2006 and beyond if they took on this contract. And Beane would have to also consider how this trade would go down with the Oakland fans. It could be enough to run them out of town.

[RockRaines]

trolling around on the A's message board, this is their opinion on the matter

 

Would be one of the best trades ever for oakland. Too bad there isn't a chance on earth it will happen.

 

I love Chavez probably more than a lot of people on this board. Still, Brandon McCarthy is a Rich Harden/Mark Prior level pitcher. Not only that but it will free up tons of money for the A's to sign what they need/want in the future. Also, Joe Crede with a little work, could turn out to be one heck of a player. You know he's good for 20+HR each year so if the A's could round up his OBP a little he'd be a very servicable 3B with power from the right.

 

Rotation: Zito/Harden/McCarthy/Haren/Blanton, not bad, not bad at all. We could also maybe even afford to sign Zito or something crazy.

 

But as I said before, even the dumb "we want to win a championship this year" white sox aren't dumb enough to give up a young cheap pitcher with that kind of potential. Chavez is a big upgrade from Crede but starting pitching is soooo valueable.