Wedge Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 07:42 AM) I don't think anybody here anticipated Miguel Olivo being part of any trade discussions. That was a stunner. Yeah, the only thing I think we all got right was that most thought Reed or Borchard or both would be involved in the deal. I'll bet if it happens, it's Crede and two prospects not named McCarthy and we pay the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 02:45 AM) There's another reason I don't want Williams to approve any trade involving McCarthy, and the (probable) transfer of a high percentage of Chavez's contract: we're providing Beane with more financial wiggle room over these next 6 years. I don't want Oakland to take our prospects, in addition to spending availalbe money on acquiring necessary components for their club. I enjoy watching this Oakland team collapse. What harm would be done if every general manager just ignored Beane? Didn't take his phone calls; looked the other way when he attempted to unload unwanted contracts. Let him draft his way back to contention. Just let Chavez continue to question the foundation of "moneyball" (aka mulder+hudsonball), and otherwise dissolve the sentiment among management and Chavez. Should make the next 6 years VERY interesting in Oakland. If it gives my team a better chance of winning, I'll do it. I think Chavez gives us a better chance of winning this year(not just the division, but the World Series) and even though he has a BA of around .280, with his power numbers and his defense, he'll be going in the HOF with a Sox uni unless he were to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:48 AM) Yeah, the only thing I think we all got right was that most thought Reed or Borchard or both would be involved in the deal. I'll bet if it happens, it's Crede and two prospects not named McCarthy and we pay the contract. Yeah, I didnt think Olivo was included, and at first I was pissed that he was. But in hindsight, we raped them on that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Chavez said into today SF Chronicle that he doesnt want to leave Oakland or play for any east coast team and he considers Chicago an east coast team... SO he wont becoming here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) Chavez said into today SF Chronicle that he doesnt want to leave Oakland or play for any east coast team and he considers Chicago an east coast team... SO he wont becoming here So...you can post that in every thread and it still doesnt mean that its true. A player like Chavez wouldnt come out and say, you know what, I want to be traded and I will go anywhere, someone take me!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 03:32 PM) So...you can post that in every thread and it still doesnt mean that its true. A player like Chavez wouldnt come out and say, you know what, I want to be traded and I will go anywhere, someone take me!!!!! No offense to the guy or anything....but how do you figure chicago is east coast?? It's just a moronic thing to say.f*** him...forget it...I don't want idiots on the team.... s*** if that's the case...my list can get pretty long eh?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 02:32 PM) So...you can post that in every thread and it still doesnt mean that its true. A player like Chavez wouldnt come out and say, you know what, I want to be traded and I will go anywhere, someone take me!!!!! But if he did want to come to Chicago, he would go out and say he didn't want to play in Chicago? With the way Beane spoke about it and Chavez spoke about it, if this trade ever happened (and it was never discussed by BB or KW) they would have no credibility at all. And what kind of character guy would Chavez be if he signed a huge contract and wanted to flee the second things didn't go very well in Oakland. If the team who acquired him stunk it up for 40 games would he try to get himself out of there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) But if he did want to come to Chicago, he would go out and say he didn't want to play in Chicago? With the way Beane spoke about it and Chavez spoke about it, if this trade ever happened (and it was never discussed by BB or KW) they would have no credibility at all. And what kind of character guy would Chavez be if he signed a huge contract and wanted to flee the second things didn't go very well in Oakland. If the team who acquired him stunk it up for 40 games would he try to get himself out of there? What kind of person is Billy Beane who signed Chavez based on the fact that he said they would be contenders, then traded away virtually every decent player on the team, and ALL of Chavez's closest teammates? Credibility and discussing probable trades are not one in the same. He wants the value for Chavez to stay high, and making him untouchable will make the offers better, got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 03:19 PM) What kind of person is Billy Beane who signed Chavez based on the fact that he said they would be contenders, then traded away virtually every decent player on the team, and ALL of Chavez's closest teammates? Credibility and discussing probable trades are not one in the same. He wants the value for Chavez to stay high, and making him untouchable will make the offers better, got it? Many of the so called experts thought Oakland would be much better than they have been. They thought the additions of Kendall and Ginter would make the offense better, and thought their young pitching was ready to blossom. One of the reasons they have been so bad is Chavez has been worse than Crede. If he wanted to maximize Chavez's value he would say he would be available if the price is right and start a bidding war for his services. I also believe Chavez, if traded, would have a right to demand a trade at the end of the season. I don't know if he has a no-trade clause or not. Beane did surprise last off season by dealing both Hudson and Mulder. They both struggled a lot last season. It was believed he would deal just one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) What kind of person is Billy Beane who signed Chavez based on the fact that he said they would be contenders, then traded away virtually every decent player on the team, and ALL of Chavez's closest teammates? Credibility and discussing probable trades are not one in the same. He wants the value for Chavez to stay high, and making him untouchable will make the offers better, got it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How do explain him trading for Kendall? Hudson was in a walk year, and Mulder (had a terrible second half) has a team option for 2006? How many years lef t does Chavez have on his contract again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) How do explain him trading for Kendall? Hudson was in a walk year, and Mulder (had a terrible second half) has a team option for 2006? How many years lef t does Chavez have on his contract again? 3 more after this one IIRC.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) Many of the so called experts thought Oakland would be much better than they have been. They thought the additions of Kendall and Ginter would make the offense better, and thought their young pitching was ready to blossom. One of the reasons they have been so bad is Chavez has been worse than Crede. If he wanted to maximize Chavez's value he would say he would be available if the price is right and start a bidding war for his services. I also believe Chavez, if traded, would have a right to demand a trade at the end of the season. I don't know if he has a no-trade clause or not. Beane did surprise last off season by dealing both Hudson and Mulder. They both struggled a lot last season. It was believed he would deal just one. Are these the same experts that predicted Cleveland and Detroit to be better than us, of the ones who picked the Royals last year? Actually it was most logical for Beane to trade Zito in the offseason, and that was believed to be his first move, and re-sign the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 rockraines chill man no trade happened so its a rumor so guess what this isnt chavez board this is soxtalk board the team on field is team right now. Until then dont get all banaas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(chisox2334 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) rockraines chill man no trade happened so its a rumor so guess what this isnt chavez board this is soxtalk board the team on field is team right now. Until then dont get all banaas. no its Chaveztalk.com didnt you see that? Second of all, i am very chill, I didnt say anything personal so I dont know where you get that impression. Relax, have a pabst and a xanax, im buying tonight anyway, I'll be in the scout seats b****es Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:52 PM) no its Chaveztalk.com didnt you see that? Second of all, i am very chill, I didnt say anything personal so I dont know where you get that impression. Relax, have a pabst and a xanax, im buying tonight anyway, I'll be in the scout seats b****es I'll be in them Sunday, sukka... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:54 PM) I'll be in them Sunday, sukka... you can clearly see me drinking them out of the value of the tickets thanks Joe Jung!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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