Ozzie's Attitude

[fathom]

I don't think he ever went on the DL, but he was pitching with a bad shoulder or something in 02 AND 03 AND TAHT'S WHY HIS ERA was so high..  4.39 and 4.51 those 2 years

 

Ok. If that's the case, and we traded away some big prospects in our organization and then resigned Garcia to a big money deal.....that's a huge risk for someone who's supposedly only been healthy enough for one season.

[jackie hayes]

Like what he said in the Southtown about Brantley?  I can't wait for someone to criticize Ozzie for being a terrible baseball player.

Yeah, actually, I hadn't seen that. I was just responding to the linked article given what I'd seen of Ozzie's reaction (basically everything that's quoted in the Southtown, save the last paragraph). The "horses***" comment is stepping over the line a bit, though I don't think it's nearly as bad as what he said about Showalter or the "real man" comment. And dumb, as you point out -- even ignoring the fact that Brantley wasn't a bad pitcher, by that logic, who's Ozzie to criticize anyone's hitting? (Though Ozzie's panned his own hitting ability at times.)

[SleepyWhiteSox]

The beauty about baseball is that you play almost every game.  The problem about baseball is that with 162 games, there's a lot of chancing at analyzing a player/coach/etc.  If Ozzie would have made proper decisions tonight (not Timo at 1b, no Walker in the 7th), then there would have been really nothing to criticize about him tonight.  When everyone knows the decision is bad before something happens, that's a problem!

 

I agree.

 

But I just don't agree with bashing Ozzie's personality, behavior, demeanor, etc. because I think he's done a fine job in that dept. This whole thread stemmed from something he DIDN'T do, which is humbly accept a half-assed apology from some idiot broadcaster. We knew what we were getting with Ozzie, and I happen to have no problems with the way he handles himself.

 

Now, the baseball side of it is different...

[fathom]

I agree.

 

But I just don't agree with bashing Ozzie's personality, behavior, demeanor, etc. because I think he's done a fine job in that dept.  This whole thread stemmed from something he DIDN'T do, which is humbly accept a half-assed apology from some idiot broadcaster.  We knew what we were getting with Ozzie, and I happen to have no problems with the way he handles himself.

 

Now, the baseball side of it is different...

 

I'd be lying if I said I would feel the same way about Ozzie's attitude off the field if I respected his ability on the field more. In a way, it's like how every Illinois fan loves Bruce Weber and think he'll be a great recruiter......after their great season last year. Before last season, they all wanted Bill Self back.

[GASHWOUND]

Ok.  If that's the case, and we traded away some big prospects in our organization and then resigned Garcia to a big money deal.....that's a huge risk for someone who's supposedly only been healthy enough for one season.

 

 

True..also I also read this..

Those around him insist Garcia's ear problems, in which the eardrums burst during team flights the same week near the end of the 2002 season, had to be affecting him no matter what he says.

 

First, with two ruptured eardrums fixed last fall, he can hear what is going on around him.

Those around him insist Garcia's ear problems, in which the eardrums burst during team flights the same week near the end of the 2002 season, had to be affecting him no matter what he says.

They were bleeding, Mariners pitcher Joel Pineiro said, and he had bad headaches.

 

 

"It had to affect his balance, his pitching, but he says no," Pineiro says.

 

 

Garcia: "They gave me drops and told me I would be OK. I didn't think it was that bad, but yeah, I could feel it. Maybe it had something to do with me not pitching good sometimes.

 

 

"But really I just thought it was me not pitching good. It pissed me off."

 

 

Garcia, who did not get his ears fixed after the 2002 season as the Mariners' medical people had advised, got them fixed in Miami after the 2003 season, where he spent the offseason with Glendys and friend Ozzie Guillen and his wife.

 

 

I don't know..but he bounced back amd was having a good year when they got him from the Mariners..and in my opinion it was worth the 2 guys we gave up..Basically we gave up Reed for Garcia and i can live with that..Olivio's done nothing this year..and i don't even see him on the active roster..is he on the DL?

[DBAHO]

If I was Ozzie, I'd start to respect people more than he has.  How can he expect respect from the media when he acts like a complete asshole to them?  If you were Brad Palmer, why would you ever treat Ozzie with respect after he acted the way he did?

Do you go out of your way as a manager to get respect from the media? There's a lot of sports players and managers, who do things that the media don't agree with, doesn't mean they're any worse at doing their job than someone who does.

[fathom]

Do you go out of your way as a manager to get respect from the media? There's a lot of sports players and managers, who do things that the media don't agree with, doesn't mean they're any worse at doing their job than someone who does.

 

How many managers do you see snap at a simple question asked by a reporter?

[Dam8610]

How many managers do you see snap at a simple question asked by a reporter?

 

Plenty, especially after a close ballgame, and especially when that simple question basically criticizes him. You'll see this across sports, not just in baseball.

[DBAHO]

Plenty, especially after a close ballgame, and especially when that simple question basically criticizes him. You'll see this across sports, not just in baseball.

Thank you. It's like Ozzie is the only person in history to do this or something.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

How many managers do you see snap at a simple question asked by a reporter?

 

Playoffs???

 

And have you heard of Bobby Knight?

 

There are so many more...

[fathom]

Playoffs???

 

And have you heard of Bobby Knight?

 

There are so many more...

 

Great, so we have the next Bobby Knight (off the field, of course)? There's a big difference between making a joke out of it like Jim More of Herm Edwards.....or being a dick about it like Bobby Knight.

[DBAHO]

Great, so we have the next Bobby Knight (off the field, of course)?  There's a big difference between making a joke out of it like Jim More of Herm Edwards.....or being a dick about it like Bobby Knight.

So who would you prefer a manager that is incompetent but is a total good goody two shoes to the media, or a manager that is a total prick, but does his job well?

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Great, so we have the next Bobby Knight (off the field, of course)?  There's a big difference between making a joke out of it like Jim More of Herm Edwards.....or being a dick about it like Bobby Knight.

 

Nobody ever said we have the next Bobby Knight. I highly doubt we will ever see Ozzie throwing chairs or chiking players. I was merely pointing out that there are MANY examples of managers and coaches losing it much worse than Ozzie ever has or probably will.

 

The only one equating Ozzie with Knight is you.

[Milkman delivers]

I don't think it's nearly as bad as what he said about Showalter or the "real man" comment.

 

Can someone explain these two things?

[fathom]

So who would you prefer a manager that is incompetent but is a total good goody two shoes to the media, or a manager that is a total prick, but does his job well?

 

If the guy did his job well, he can act like as big of an asshole as he wants. However, if the person treats others like s***, he should expect any respect in return. Ozzie has yet to prove anything to me to suggest that he should have this chip on his shoulders.

[jackie hayes]

Can someone explain these two things?

Ozzie lashed out at Showalter last year after a rules dispute, at one point listing why Showalter must be jealous of him. And he said that Hunter Wendelstedt lied on a report about an argument and is therefore "not a real man".

 

He added, "I will hold a grudge". No kidding, you?

[nvxplorer]

I don't give two s***s how Ozzie handles the media. If reporters don't like how he answers questions, they can stop asking them. If anyone else doesn't like how he answers questions, they can stop reading them.

[fathom]

Let me get one thing straight: I'm not going to lose any sleep over how Ozzie treats the media, etc. The one thing I want from our manager is to put this team in a situation to succeed as often as possible. Ozzie just has to develop thicker-skin. With success comes media scrutiny. Do you think anyone in KC or Colorado is second-guessing their coach all the time?

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I don't give two s***s how Ozzie handles the media. If reporters don't like how he answers questions, they can stop asking them. If anyone else doesn't like how he answers questions, they can stop reading them.

 

Well-said.

[fathom]

I don't give two s***s how Ozzie handles the media. If reporters don't like how he answers questions, they can stop asking them. If anyone else doesn't like how he answers questions, they can stop reading them.

 

Problem is, these reporters are asking Ozzie the questions we want to hear. We want to know why he took out McCarthy. We want to know why he played Timo at 1b, pitched Walker, etc. I probably would have never started this thread if not for the way the Cubs and Dusty have acted the previous few seasons. Ozzie should be a media darling with his enthusiasm and our record. Since he's the one that tells our players to go out and get drunk....maybe he should just relax a little and not take comments so seriously.

[nitetrain8601]

Problem is, these reporters are asking Ozzie the questions we want to hear.  We want to know why he took out McCarthy.  We want to know why he played Timo at 1b, pitched Walker, etc.  I probably would have never started this thread if not for the way the Cubs and Dusty have acted the previous few seasons.  Ozzie should be a media darling with his enthusiasm and our record.  Since he's the one that tells our players to go out and get drunk....maybe he should just relax a little and not take comments so seriously.

 

I agree. He's very hard-headed. It's not like they're saying, "Ozzie what a stupid f***ing decision!" they are simply asking what he was thinking in that instance that made him put player X instead of player Y. I've usually defended Ozzie, but he does act like a total jackass to the media when he doesn't have to. I hate to see what happens if we start losing. He will no longer get the protection from the media he does. Plain and simple, Ozzie acts like a total jag when he doesn't have to.

 

This was totally inexcusable on his part. Was Brantley doing anything other than his job? I remember him praising Ozzie and his style a couple of times too. Brantley was simply analyzing which is what ESPN hired him to do. I didn't agree with Ozzie's moves and wanted to hear why he made some of the decisions he made on Monday. Just because analyzers are doing their job and asking you questions, doesn't mean you have to act like an asshole. Fact is, Ozzie rather have a total jag moment instead of admitting he was wrong or being a bigger man in this case and accepting the apology.

[nvxplorer]

Problem is, these reporters are asking Ozzie the questions we want to hear.  We want to know why he took out McCarthy.  We want to know why he played Timo at 1b, pitched Walker, etc.  I probably would have never started this thread if not for the way the Cubs and Dusty have acted the previous few seasons.  Ozzie should be a media darling with his enthusiasm and our record.  Since he's the one that tells our players to go out and get drunk....maybe he should just relax a little and not take comments so seriously.

Yes, I understand, but we can't expect Ozzie to be the man we want him to be. He's who he is, and a diplomat he's not.

 

Personally, I respect him more for being his own man than if he sucked up to the media. That would be phony, and I hate phonies.

 

As far as explaining decisions goes, I take anything said with a grain of salt. From what I've seen already, Ozzie will tell the media what he thinks they want to hear regarding his decisions. As curious as we may be, the truth is, it's really none of our business. We're the fans, true, but just because we're the customers doesn't mean we are entitled to every little detail on how the team is run. Some things should remain in the clubhouse. That said, Ozzie has been reasonably forthcoming in explaining his moves. Whether he's been completely honest is another question. He doesn't need to be. The media doesn't need to dissect his every move, and if he has to fudge an answer now and then, so be it.

[nvxplorer]

I agree. He's very hard-headed. It's not like they're saying, "Ozzie what a stupid f***ing decision!" they are simply asking what he was thinking in that instance that made him put player X instead of player Y. I've usually defended Ozzie, but he does act like a total jackass to the media when he doesn't have to. I hate to see what happens if we start losing. He will no longer get the protection from the media he does. Plain and simple, Ozzie acts like a total jag when he doesn't have to.

 

This was totally inexcusable on his part. Was Brantley doing anything other than his job? I remember him praising Ozzie and his style a couple of times too. Brantley was simply analyzing which is what ESPN hired him to do. I didn't agree with Ozzie's moves and wanted to hear why he made some of the decisions he made on Monday. Just because analyzers are doing their job and asking you questions, doesn't mean you have to act like an asshole. Fact is, Ozzie rather have a total jag moment instead of admitting he was wrong or being a bigger man in this case and accepting the apology.

The media bears some responsibility as well. They already know about Ozzie, and I'm sure they deliberately try to get him worked up. Hell, Ozzie's mouth has been a top story for sports media this year.

 

I don't know what the solution is. Ozzie seems to enjoy speaking, but he's not capable of doing so without stirring up s***. The best thing he could do would be to not play into their hands. Who knows? He and the team may laugh their asses off after he does an interview. Remember the early mantra? WE DON'T CARE. I'll stick with that attitude myself.

[Wanne]

Can the Ozzie-haters just post "I HATE OZZIE" and be done with it?

 

That's basically what it's coming down to.  The nit-picking is getting silly...

 

NO s***...before it was Ghandi sat in the dugout until the pigeons covered him and didn't do a damn thing...now...it's Ozzie says and does too much. Timo at 1st...now there's something to b**** about...but how he reacts to Brantley?!?....who gives a s***. Like somebody said...at least he didn't start launchin' F-bombs at him.

[Chisoxfn]

Ozzie's decisions tonight notswithstanding, Brantley is an idiot.  Keep in mind that the Cubune is trying to make Ozzie look bad.

But for once Brantley was right to rip on Ozzie. Ozzie has managed awfully this entire week and there is no nice way of saying something like that.