Jeff Brantley

[nvxplorer]

its not a broadcaster's place to second guess a manager...  do you ever hear rooney and farmer do that? dont think so! ive no problem with brantley wondering why ozzie did what he did, but he's in no place to berate him that way.

Very good point. As annoying and boring as Farmer can be sometimes, he NEVER badmouths anyone publically.

 

Has Brantley ever managed? Any level? Had offers? Anyone know?

[quickman]

personally I think we are all saying the same thing. Ozzie and brantley have a right to say what they want, ozzie needs to learn how to deal better with the Media, needs some maturing and needs better people to tell him how to play his players.

[nitetrain8601]

I truly think Ozzie has been experimenting to see who to keep on the roster for the rest of the year? He used walker in a pressure situation against lefties to see if he could handle it. Did he do it? No, go to Charlotte we need the roster spot. Why else would that be the only time he has done it. Next try, can Perez handle first. Did Ok on some, screwed up others. Is he worth the spot. Someone will need to go soon, either in a trade, release or sent down.

 

Ozzie is helping KW decide what they need for the long haul of the season. At least this is what I hope he has been doing with the bizzare moves. He may be a hothead but I don't think he is stupid.

 

That move reeked Jerry Manuel when he decided to pitch Cotts in Yankee Stadium instead of Buehrle. That's all I thought about that Kevin Walker move.

[Cerbaho-WG]

I truly think Ozzie has been experimenting to see who to keep on the roster for the rest of the year? He used walker in a pressure situation against lefties to see if he could handle it. Did he do it? No, go to Charlotte we need the roster spot. Why else would that be the only time he has done it. Next try, can Perez handle first. Did Ok on some, screwed up others. Is he worth the spot. Someone will need to go soon, either in a trade, release or sent down.

 

Ozzie is helping KW decide what they need for the long haul of the season. At least this is what I hope he has been doing with the bizzare moves. He may be a hothead but I don't think he is stupid.

 

Ozzie could have easily looked to the past and realized that Kevin Walker has been a very poor pitcher his entire career, and used his brain to realize that Timo would probably be pretty apt to have an error occur. You don't have to try s*** out when the answers are right in front of your face.

[ptatc]

Ozzie could have easily looked to the past and realized that Kevin Walker has been a very poor pitcher his entire career, and used his brain to realize that Timo would probably be pretty apt to have an error occur. You don't have to try s*** out when the answers are right in front of your face.

 

You do when your GM signed the guy in the offseason for decent money.

[ptatc]

That move reeked Jerry Manuel when he decided to pitch Cotts in Yankee Stadium instead of Buehrle. That's all I thought about that Kevin Walker move.

 

They agreed now walker is in Charlotte never to return (except for many injuries)

[quickman]

Very good point. As annoying and boring as Farmer can be sometimes, he NEVER badmouths anyone publically.

 

Has Brantley ever managed? Any level? Had offers? Anyone know?

 

 

n o NV I don't think he has, but that is not the point. I will separate local Announcers from national. brantley made good points and now its personal between him and ozzie. I think national media does offer stronger points than local. i also think Stone did it with the cubs and he too was correct in his analysis. The subject still stands, they both can offer there points, but I would rather have a manager with a bit more tact and class. I don't want an angel just a little bit more tactful manager. And one day he might just learn to be that.

[Cerbaho-WG]

You do when your GM signed the guy in the offseason for decent money.

 

Just because your GM promotes a bad player you're relegated to play them? So, if KW, for no reason at all, adds someone like Chris Amador to the 25 man roster, does Ozzie HAVE to play him? No, because it's obvious that not playing him is more beneficial than playing him.

[quickman]

I truly think Ozzie has been experimenting to see who to keep on the roster for the rest of the year? He used walker in a pressure situation against lefties to see if he could handle it. Did he do it? No, go to Charlotte we need the roster spot. Why else would that be the only time he has done it. Next try, can Perez handle first. Did Ok on some, screwed up others. Is he worth the spot. Someone will need to go soon, either in a trade, release or sent down.

 

Ozzie is helping KW decide what they need for the long haul of the season. At least this is what I hope he has been doing with the bizzare moves. He may be a hothead but I don't think he is stupid.

 

 

Interesting thinking just don't like the timing.

[ptatc]

Interesting thinking just don't like the timing.

 

Is it a coincidence that it is happening while these trade talks are heating up?

 

Damn these conspiracies!!!

[nvxplorer]

Ozzie has the right to manage anyway he pleases, but he doesn't seem to understand the criticism that comes with the job. People can rattle off quote after quote about Ozzie will take criticism instead of the players, but whenever someone critiques any minute moves he made, he immediately turtles up and just spewing expletives to cover his ass. Teenagers do this, not people who are 40. Ozzie fails to realize that managing by your gut, instead of using splits, something I like to call common sense, you're more apt to receive flak because gut moves, when they fail, lack any backing other than, "Gee, I had a feeling Kevin Walker would hold a one run lead when he's barely pitched the last few weeks."

 

Ozzie's great at being a friend, but he's probably one of the worst managers in all of baseball; I don't care what the win and loss column suggests. Ozzie is a very, very stupid manager who fails to understand player's roles, especially in the bullpen. I mean, come on, how the f*** can you defend playing arguably the worst player in all of baseball in Timo Perez at a position he hasn't played in over half a f***ing decade. Hey Ozzie, Konerko played catcher once, what's stopping you from having Konerko play C, Widger at 3B, Crede at SS and Dye at 2B? Common f***ing sense, that's what. Then again, Hawk and DJ would still suck off Ozzie for being creative or some other horses***, which is why I enjoy listening to Rooney and Farmer more often than the two biggest cocksuckers in all of announcing.

I agree with your characterization of Ozzie in the first paragraph. However, it's one thing to say how a 40 year old should act (which I agree with you on), and quite another to put yourself in that person's shoes.

 

Let's face it. Ozzie is still very green, in all aspects of managing. He will learn from his mistakes. I have faith in that. And I think Ozzie himself may be very upset about the moves he's made. Think about it. If you had just made some boneheaded moves that may have cost you the game, and you were well aware of your failures, how much patience would you have with some nobody second guessing you? Yes, he should learn to handle it in a more mature manner, but after blowing a game, the last thing I'd want to hear is some armchair manager saying I f***ed up - something I'm already well aware of. Just because Ozzie doesn't publically admit fault doesn't mean he's not aware of it himself.

 

I have to disagree with your win-loss comment. Wins and losses are all that matter. The Sox are probably baseball's biggest surprise. Whether the team's success can be attributed to Ozzie is open for debate, but you can't argue with the best record in baseball.

[ptatc]

Just because your GM promotes a bad player you're relegated to play them? So, if KW, for no reason at all, adds someone like Chris Amador to the 25 man roster, does Ozzie HAVE to play him? No, because it's obvious that not playing him is more beneficial than playing him.

 

I think you do to an extent. The GM and scouts saw something they liked in order to sign him. You needed to find out if he has anything. You tried it, it didn't work now HE GAWN!!!!!!!

[nvxplorer]

I think you do to an extent. The GM and scouts saw something they liked in order to sign him. You needed to find out if he has anything. You tried it, it didn't work now HE GAWN!!!!!!!

Yes, this is my line of thinking as well. We can all look to Walker's stats to assess him as a crappy pitcher, but there had to be something the team saw in the guy. Who knows what, but unless we have connections within the Sox organization, all our guesses are exactly that - just guesses.