Scott Skiles

[rangercal]

The bulls and skiles could not agree to a contract extension and ended talks.

[rangercal]

From today's suntimes: http://www.suntimes.com/output/bulls/cst-spt-bull021.html

 

Skiles' long-term stay looking iffy

With negotiations on a new contract or extension for Bulls coach Scott Skiles having broken off, Skiles and his agent, Keith Glass, are resigned to Skiles playing out his contract and perhaps signing to coach elsewhere after next season.

 

The Bulls have until June 30 to pick up the option on Skiles' contract for 2005-06. If they do, Skiles has said he will not negotiate an extension during the season and will become a free agent next summer.

 

Skiles said he has a deadline after which he will not negotiate, but he did not specify the deadline.

 

"The bottom line is that right now, I don't think this is going anywhere,'' Glass said. "It doesn't look like it's going to get done.

 

"It's not the end of the world. They've made a move at us, but nothing has changed. It's not been a typical negotiations in any way. We've tried to make it clear to them that we want to remain in Chicago. But I don't think it's going to happen.''

 

Perhaps the main quirk in these negotiations between Glass and Bulls operations chief John Paxson is the refusal of Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf to meet with Glass. Reinsdorf is on the record saying he will not negotiate with agents for coaches or managers.

 

But Skiles says Glass, who denies that Reinsdorf's refusal to meet with him is preventing an agreement, will remain his agent.

 

"I've been represented by the Glass family for 20 years now,'' Skiles said Wednesday, after watching 20 free agents go through the first of five minicamp practices at the Berto Center. "They're part of my family, really. So nothing will come between us.''

 

On Monday, Reinsdorf rewarded White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen with a two-year contract extension for getting his team off to a great start during his second season as manager. Skiles, who was hired Nov. 28, 2003, was hoping to be similarly rewarded after coaching the Bulls to the franchise's first winning record and playoff appearance in seven years.

 

If Skiles doesn't get at least an extension?

 

"I would not be disappointed,'' he said. "I don't worry about it. I'm here doing my job. It's just part of the business. You can't be walking around being disappointed. You can't ride the ups and downs of the league that way.

 

"I've been studying this my whole life. Nothing's going to happen here that's going to catch me off guard. I realize that this is a tough business and things don't always go the way you want them to go. Sometimes, they go the other way. When that happens, you deal with it and move on.''

 

Skiles already has been rewarded by his players, who bought into his philosophy and helped him earn accolades from opposing coaches and players around the league. The media then rewarded Skiles by voting him fourth in the balloting for coach of the year during a season that saw 41 head coaches lead the league's 30 teams.

 

Paxson, who declined to comment Wednesday, said during the regular season that he wanted Skiles "to be our coach for a long time'' and that re-signing Skiles was one of his top priorities.

 

Paxson already has offered to tear up next year's option, which calls for Skiles to be paid roughly $2.8 million. But they can't agree on the dollars for a new deal.

 

Although neither Glass nor Skiles would discuss numbers, Glass said they simply wanted "what's fair for a coach with Skiles' talents'' and labeled as "false'' a rumor that Skiles had rejected an offer of a contract paying $4 million a season -- the approximate salary for the likes of Memphis Grizzles coach Mike Fratello, San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and Indiana Pacers coach Rick Carlisle.

Edited June 2, 2005 by rangercal

[GoodAsGould]

I think think coaches shouldnt even be paid over 2 million... they work for what half a year and unlike players they dont have to work out as much or have risk of injury.

[qwerty]

What skiles wants is a bargain considering what some othe coaches around the look has gotten. The bulls will resign him sooner or later.

[kev211]

I think think coaches shouldnt  even be paid over 2 million... they work for what half a year and unlike players they dont have to work out as much or have risk of injury.

But they got blamed for everything that goes wrong on the team.

[greasywheels121]

Wow you guys better resign him.

[southsider2k5]

FWIW. Scott was on MJH earlier and really sounded positive a deal would get done sooner than later. His whole demeanor was upbeat.

[GoodAsGould]

But they got blamed for everything that goes wrong on the team.

 

 

I tell you what, Pay me 2 million dollars for a year and Ill coach the bulls and if we win only 20 games you can blame me all you want. Athletes and coaches are the biggest babies in the world, they get paid so much and b**** about so little.

[nitetrain8601]

What skiles wants is a bargain considering what some othe coaches around the look has gotten. The bulls will resign him sooner or later.

 

Actually Skiles would be getting paid as an upper echelon coach with the offer the Bulls are giving. I think only 4 guys would be making more than him. Hell, Phil Jackson when he got his deal with the Lakers signed a 4 year 20 million dollar deal. Skiles wants that. Skiles

[qwerty]

Actually Skiles would be getting paid as an upper echelon coach with the offer the Bulls are giving. I think only 4 guys would be making more than him. Hell, Phil Jackson when he got his deal with the Lakers signed a 4 year 20 million dollar deal. Skiles wants that. Skiles

 

There would be five actually. My point is there are very few coaches in the league that i would take over skiles and this is coming from a very unbiased person. He was always considered a good coach while with the suns because he got ran out of town by you know who. What i mean is that it is a bargain considering jim o' brien and jeff van gundy ( who i have always thought was overated) are making an average salary of four million a year. While i won't argue phil is a good coach because he is. He has always had a hell of alot of talent surrounding him. He has never really had to turn around a team like skiles has done.

[danman31]

He's going to end up overstaying his welcome in a year or 2 anyway. These type of coaches do.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

He's going to end up overstaying his welcome in a year or 2 anyway. These type of coaches do.

 

Most likely.

 

He's not worth what he thinks he is.

[GoodAsGould]

I just worry that his style of coaching might eventually piss the players off... than we would have a s***ty pissed off team and an over-paid coach.... Ill always thank Skiles for turning the Bulls in the right direction but I honestly wouldnt mind another coach to take us the rest of the way... I cant think of names right now but the Timberwolves ex-coach comes to mind.

[Spod=Ratings]

i really hope they keep skiles.he just seems like a great fit

[qwerty]

I just worry that his style of coaching might eventually piss the players off... than we would have a s***ty pissed off team and an over-paid coach.... Ill always thank Skiles for turning the Bulls in the right direction but I honestly wouldnt mind another coach to take us the rest of the way... I cant think of names right now but the Timberwolves ex-coach comes to mind.

 

I cannot understand why people don't think he can be the coach to take the bulls all the way. Is it because he is an old school coach and he gets the respect of his players? Is it because he lets everyone know who is in charge? He is not gonn have any of his players make the bulls look bad. If they do something wrong or something he doesn't like thet can go think about it on the bench.

 

Flip saunders.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I cannot understand why people don't think he can be the coach to take the bulls all the way. Is it because he is an old school coach and he gets the respect of his players? Is it because he lets everyone know who is in charge? He is not gonn have any of his players make the bulls look bad. If they do something wrong or something he doesn't like thet can go think about it on the bench.

 

Flip saunders.

 

He's just not that good. He's asking for too much, too long. Him rubbing the players and/or organization the wrong way almost seems inevitable.

 

He's a good coach, just not worth as much as he thinks he is, in my opinion. You don't pay a relatively unproven guy that much for one decent year. Just take a look at all of the former Coach of the Year's and top-notch coaches that quickly wore out their welcome. Unfortunately, I believe that Skiles will ultimately suffer the same fate.

[3 BeWareTheNewSox 5]

I agree, coaches wear out their welcomes, lose players/teams, and one year of success cannot guarantee anything in the future (too lazy to look up his stats in Phoenix, but he got fired there, didn't he?). Great season, great turnaround, but I'd have to give a little credit to Pax and the players. I don't really care anymore though, I think coaching is a little overrated (sure it's tough, but there's plenty of people around who can do it), the one guy I wanted was Carlisle, and we couldn't make a run for him because we were oh so confident in Cartwright

[southsider2k5]

He's just not that good.  He's asking for too much, too long.  Him rubbing the players and/or organization the wrong way almost seems inevitable.

 

He's a good coach, just not worth as much as he thinks he is, in my opinion.  You don't pay a relatively unproven guy that much for one decent year.  Just take a look at all of the former Coach of the Year's and top-notch coaches that quickly wore out their welcome.  Unfortunately, I believe that Skiles will ultimately suffer the same fate.

 

He's not that good? He turned a team in the toilet to a playoff team, despite huge injury problems, and a lack of a front line scorer. There isn't a coach alive who could have gotten more blood out of this turnip than Scott Skiles did. The only way the Bulls fail with Skiles at the helm is if the core players go back to being selfish idiots who won't listen. And if that happens, it isn't Skiles fault.

[Brian]

He's not that good?  He turned a team in the toilet to a playoff team, despite huge injury problems, and a lack of a front line scorer.  There isn't a coach alive who could have gotten more blood out of this turnip than Scott Skiles did.  The only way the Bulls fail with Skiles at the helm is if the core players go back to being selfish idiots who won't listen.  And if that happens, it isn't Skiles fault.

 

Agreed. He got something out of Curry and Chandler that Floyd and Cartwright didn't. If it wasn't for that awful start, the Bulls could of won 50 games. That would of been outstanding, considering previous years.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Agreed. He got something out of Curry and Chandler that Floyd and Cartwright didn't. If it wasn't for that awful start, the Bulls could of won 50 games. That would of been outstanding, considering previous years.

 

floyd and cartwright were jokes.

[GoodAsGould]

He's not that good?  He turned a team in the toilet to a playoff team, despite huge injury problems, and a lack of a front line scorer.  There isn't a coach alive who could have gotten more blood out of this turnip than Scott Skiles did.  The only way the Bulls fail with Skiles at the helm is if the core players go back to being selfish idiots who won't listen.  And if that happens, it isn't Skiles fault.

 

 

We really didnt have injury problems till late into the season, yes Skiles helped turn us around but give credit to the players and our gm too...

[qwerty]

He's not that good?  He turned a team in the toilet to a playoff team, despite huge injury problems, and a lack of a front line scorer.  There isn't a coach alive who could have gotten more blood out of this turnip than Scott Skiles did.  The only way the Bulls fail with Skiles at the helm is if the core players go back to being selfish idiots who won't listen.  And if that happens, it isn't Skiles fault.

 

Skiles is a very good coach and i will never understand why he can't be the coach. Is it because there are some other coaches who are possibly cuter? Well people say his style of coaching might piss of the players. We shouldn't worry about that, what we should worry about the bulls style of play and then there would be nothing to worry about for th epeople that do. Coaching in the nba is one of the hardest jobs in sports in my opinion. They are just like a hitting coach, every little thing that goes wrong is put upon their shoulders even if they couldn't help it. They have to come up with the excuses why their players did wrong or stupid, not the other way around. Coaches get fired in the nba more than any sport not because they are bad coaches because teams like a change of scenery. I mean wtf 15 coaching changes a year on average it seems. I still stand by skiles is not cute enough for some peoples liking.

[qwerty]

We really didnt have injury problems till late into the season, yes Skiles helped turn us around but give credit to the players and our gm too...

 

If we had mike d'antoni we would not have the same record. He doesn't preach defense ( which is by far the bulsl stong point) he doesn't have a '' i am the coach you sit down and listen to me attitude'' like skiles does. You don't think nearly every coach in the league could say '' run the ball through nash''. He has been about two of the best offenses in modern basketball and it is probally not a fluke. Do you think byron scott, bernie bickerstaff, or mike montgomery would has done nearly as well here as skiles has done?

[GoodAsGould]

If we had mike d'antoni we would not have the same record. He doesn't preach defense ( which is by far the bulsl stong point) he doesn't have a '' i am the coach you sit down and listen to me attitude'' like skiles does. You don't think nearly every coach in the league could say '' run the ball through nash''. He has been about two of the best offenses in modern basketball and it is probally not a fluke. Do you think byron scott, bernie bickerstaff, or mike montgomery would has done nearly as well here as skiles has done?

 

 

Did I say Skiles is a bad coach, i just said injuries didnt really factor into the season until the end when we were almost guaranteed a playoff spot and that give credit to pax and the players too.

[Chisoxfn]

Right now...Skiles >>>> Jackson. Jackson isn't near the coach he once was and is frankly totally overrated.

 

I'd rather pay Skiles 5-6 mill than Jackson 5-6 mill. Tell me one time Jackson took a mediocre team and made them good. Case closed.

 

Not saying Jackson isn't a good coach, but he didn't do too good of a job with the Lakers and is totally overrated. He doesn't do much coaching, imo. He does a good job motivating guys and other things, but highly overrated in my opinion.