Allow me to open a big, fat can of worms.

[kev211]

Fair enough, but since 1987 no one has started more than 37, and since the mid 90s no one has started more than 36. With a 5 man rotation, the most you'll get is 34, maybe 35.

 

I'd be willing to bet El Duque has missed more games than Wood the past 5 years... or at least it's close.

El duques old and Wood is young

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I dont know about you hideaway lights but the numbers i see on that page are anywhere from 35-40

 

For the past 14 years no one is over 36.

[Buehrle>Wood]

I dont know about you hideaway lights but the numbers i see on that page are anywhere from 35-40

And Wilbur Wood way above everyone at 48. Thats tough s*** right there.

[southsider2k5]

Fair enough, but since 1987 no one has started more than 37, and since the mid 90s no one has started more than 36. With a 5 man rotation, the most you'll get is 34, maybe 35.

 

I'd be willing to bet El Duque has missed more games than Wood the past 5 years... or at least it's close.

 

Kerry Wood was also the Cubs opening day starter, while Hernandez was the Sox #5.

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El duques old and Wood is young

 

We are comparing the Cubs and the White Sox. I think it's fair game to compare one old, injured starter to one young, injured starter.

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Kerry Wood was also the Cubs opening day starter, while Hernandez was the Sox #5.

 

 

I could've sworn Hernandez started the fourth game of the year, not the fifth. Maybe my math is wrong.

[kev211]

We are comparing the Cubs and the White Sox. I think it's fair game to compare one old, injured starter to one young, injured starter.

When your young your body is top physical condition if wood is this injury prone now just imagine how he will be when he 30 let alone 35-40 if he makes it there

Edited June 3, 2005 by ScottPodRulez22

[Wedge]

The current Cub winning streak is predicated on the starters going long.

Rusch threw 122 pitches in the last win.  No rotation can continuously rack up high pitch counts start after start & remain healthy.  Eventually they are going to have to rely on that pen again & the losing streak will start.

 

Precisely. The short-term benefits of the Cubs having their starters pitch long into games will most likely come back to haunt them in August and September.

 

The Cubs absolutely cannot win games where their bullpen has to pitch extended (i.e. 2+) and important innings.

 

Their seven game winning streak: 3 wins against the horrible Rockies, 3 wins against a flagging Dodgers team, 1 win against a division leader. Let's see how they do over the next seven games. To do this, they've had to have outstanding (not good, not great, but outstanding) starting pitching efforts, even with white-hot performances by Lee and Ramerez.

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When your young your body is top physical condition is eood this injury prone now just imagine how he will be when he 30 let alone 35-40 if he makes it there

 

Again, I am ATTEMPTING to compare the 2005 Cubs to the 2005 White Sox.

[Wedge]

I could've sworn Hernandez started the fourth game of the year, not the fifth. Maybe my math is wrong.

 

True, but the Sox weren't counting on an injury prone pitcher to perform like an "ace" or a "top of the rotation" class pitcher.

[kev211]

Fair enough, but since 1987 no one has started more than 37, and since the mid 90s no one has started more than 36. With a 5 man rotation, the most you'll get is 34, maybe 35.

 

I'd be willing to bet El Duque has missed more games than Wood the past 5 years... or at least it's close.

I see El duque and wood there not the 2005 cubs & whitesox

[Buehrle>Wood]

El Duque has missed about 90 starts in his career, but those were almost all with the Yankees. Kerry Wood has missed around 78 starts in his career and every single one of thsoe has been with the Cubs.

 

 

 

There is no point to be made here.

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Precisely.  The short-term benefits of the Cubs having their starters pitch long into games will most likely come back to haunt them in August and September.

 

The Cubs absolutely cannot win games where their bullpen has to pitch extended (i.e. 2+) and important innings.

 

Their seven game winning streak: 3 wins against the horrible Rockies, 3 wins against a flagging Dodgers team, 1 win against a division leader.  Let's see how they do over the next seven games.  To do this, they've had to have outstanding (not good, not great, but outstanding) starting pitching efforts, even with white-hot performances by Lee and Ramerez.

 

I would argue now that Latoya is gone and Borowski is back, it is at least a mediocre bullpen and not awful. I don't think bad teams win 7 games in a row, no matter who they are playing. I also don't think you can discount a sweep of the Dodgers on the road. Look how we do on the WC year in and year out. Yes, the Dodgers are in trouble. The Cubs hadn't swept them at LA in ten years, and there were a couple of pretty good Cubs teams in there, weren't there?

 

Hell, the Yanks just got swept by the goddamn Royals on the road.

Edited June 3, 2005 by Hideaway Lights

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El Duque has missed about 90 starts in his career, but those were almost all with the Yankees. Kerry Wood has missed around 78 starts in his career and every single one of thsoe has been with the Cubs.

There is no point to be made here.

 

The point is, the Cubs have some injury prone starters, and so do we. Again, comparing the 2005 Cubs to the 2005 White Sox. You are deluding yourself if you think Hernandez will start more than 25 regular season games this season.

[kev211]

Hell, the Yanks just got swept by the goddamn Royals on the road.

LMFAO

[RockRaines]

Again, I am ATTEMPTING to compare the 2005 Cubs to the 2005 White Sox.

the 2005 white sox beat the 2005 cubs, done.

[Wedge]

I'd be willing to bet El Duque has missed more games than Wood the past 5 years... or at least it's close.

 

Since 2001, Kerry Wood has 120 starts and El Duque has 64, so yeah, you're right.

[Buehrle>Wood]

The point is, the Cubs have some injury prone starters, and so do we. Again, comparing the 2005 Cubs to the 2005 White Sox. You are deluding yourself if you think Hernandez will start more than 25 regular season games this season.

The difference is that they have 2 injury prone pitchers and those are their top 2 starters(Or atleast what they say). We have 1, and he is our 5 starter. And he was signed by planning on missing 5-10 of his starts, as noted by the public comments of our GM.

[kev211]

The difference is that they have 2 injury prone pitchers and those are their top 2 starters(Or atleast what they say). We have 1, and he is our 5 starter. And he was signed by planning on missing 5-10 of his starts, as noted by the public comments of our GM.

Plus we have Bmac to pitch when el duque cant. So right now we have 6 healthy starters.

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Plus we have Bmac to pitch when el duque cant. So right now we have 6 healthy starters.

 

McCarthy is not quite ready for the bigs. He needs a little more tick at the minors and a little more movement and command of the strike zone. He comes up again and faces a good team, he'll likely get shelled again.

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The difference is that they have 2 injury prone pitchers and those are their top 2 starters(Or atleast what they say). We have 1, and he is our 5 starter. And he was signed by planning on missing 5-10 of his starts, as noted by the public comments of our GM.

 

Contreras has also had some tick on the DL the last two seasons, no? I didn't count on more than 50 from both starters combined.

[Buehrle>Wood]

McCarthy is not quite ready for the bigs. He needs a little more tick at the minors and a little more movement and command of the strike zone. He comes up again and faces a good team, he'll likely get shelled again.

So your saying the Cubs aren't good?

[kev211]

McCarthy is not quite ready for the bigs. He needs a little more tick at the minors and a little more movement and command of the strike zone. He comes up again and faces a good team, he'll likely get shelled again.

I agree thats why Bmac is in the minors right now but at least we have a back up starter!

[kev211]

So your saying the Cubs aren't good?

LMFAO

[Hideaway Lights]

So your saying the Cubs aren't good?

 

He pitched well in that game and got shelled by the Rangers. The Cubs are one of the top 13 teams in the bigs, in my opinion.