kev211 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 12:53 PM) He pitched well in that game and got shelled by the Rangers. The Cubs are one of the top 13 teams in the bigs, in my opinion. But he didnt get "shelled" by the cubs and you said a good team would shell him and you claim the cubs are good im confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 12:53 PM) He pitched well in that game and got shelled by the Rangers. The Cubs are one of the top 13 teams in the bigs, in my opinion. In reality or in your fantasy 'nobody's injured' world?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted June 3, 2005 Author Share Posted June 3, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) But he didnt get "shelled" by the cubs and you said a good team would shell him and you claim the cubs are good im confused. It is possible that a pitcher not quite ready for the big leagues can pitch well against a good team. "shelled by a good team".... only in my opinion. Nice try on attempting to paint me into a corner. Edited June 3, 2005 by Hideaway Lights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted June 3, 2005 Author Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) In reality or in your fantasy 'nobody's injured' world?? In reality. They are #13 in my book. In the NL: only the Padres, D-Backs, Marlins, Braves, Marlins and Cardinals are better. In the AL: only the White Sox, Twins, Rangers, Angels, Red Sox and Orioles are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted June 3, 2005 Author Share Posted June 3, 2005 btw, in my fantasy "nobody's injured" world they are probably a top 7 team, at the very lowest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Probably the Yankees too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:24 PM) btw, in my fantasy "nobody's injured" world they are probably a top 7 team, at the very lowest. and what are the whitesox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted June 3, 2005 Author Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 12:26 PM) and what are the whitesox? I think both teams, sans injury, are actually top 5. That's why it's a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:27 PM) I think both teams, sans injury, are actually top 5. That's why it's a debate. so why is it that you are so focused on the cubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) so why is it that you are so focused on the cubs? Sounds like he roots for both teams like qwerty does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) so why is it that you are so focused on the cubs? nice sig and avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:34 PM) nice sig and avatar thanks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) so why is it that you are so focused on the cubs? Pot stirrer....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) Pot stirrer....? always steff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:34 PM) Sounds like he roots for both teams like qwerty does. This is on the back of my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 02:16 PM) always steff Not you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 02:19 PM) Not you.. It seems like every day there are people with a post total under 10 talking about the cubs this and the cubs that, etc. Im just baiting, not stirring :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) It seems like every day there are people with a post total under 10 talking about the cubs this and the cubs that, etc. Im just baiting, not stirring :rolly I agree.. We need a pot stirring smiley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach61 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) I agree.. We need a pot stirring smiley. Or a separate section for cub crap. Who cares about them or how we match up against them? Are they in the AL Central now? Until then, I don't care how many games below .500 they are or why their fans think they have a better team than the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(zach61 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) Or a separate section for cub crap. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&s=&f=38 Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) I agree.. We need a pot stirring smiley. agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted June 3, 2005 Author Share Posted June 3, 2005 I said about 5 pages ago that I hate the f***ing cubs. I think I've said twenty times in this thread I think it's an interesting debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 You're counting on a pitcher who has never won 15 games in his career and possibly the worst defensive middle of the infield as a major reason for the Cubs to improve. Of the guys that are hurt, I would only expect Prior to make a major impact, and they've had him most of the year. Plus as others have said, Perez and Rusch have been solid as replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 (edited) Do you really think the Cub pen is better w/out Hawkins? If Hendry had a clue he might be the best setup man in the NL right now. Losing a Hawkins even when you mis-used him doesn't make your team better. The Cub are 8-2 in their last 10. Just like the Rangers. Since most power rankings pick the White Sox #2 behind STL I guess we should just ignore all of that & start printing up the WS tickets for these two clubs Tonight it's Mitre vs Eaton. You pick the Cub & Mitre & I'll pick 7-1 Eaton & the Padres. The winning streak ends tonight. Looking ahead Maddux has a reasonable shot at winless May. To close out the series it's 5-0 Peavy vs Zamby. I'm picking Peavy & the Pads. So after SD the mighty Cub will still be 2 gms over .500. The WSox will be 17-18 gms over .500. If you still think the Cub could beat them in a 7 gm series you're dreaming. Rusch has pitched just as good as Wood could ever pitch & Prior is anything but a sure thing. You're only other major injury was Walker & he's back now. On the other side of the coin what would the Sox record be with a healthy Thomas & El Duque all year long? I'd say that's good for at least 3 more gms over .500 bringing the total to 20. Do you really think a healthy Prior, Wood, & Walker would put the Cub 20 gms over .500? Perhaps you are confusing being healthy with being an ace. Wood hasn't resembled an ace in a long time & Prior has never been healthy enough to determine whether he is an ace. But since your playing this game El Duque had 8 wins & 2 losses in 15 starts last year. So if we extrapolate that to 35 starts that's 18 wins & 5 losses. I'll put those numbers up against Wood or Prior's any day. So if you want to play the past performance healthy game the WSox beat the Cub there as well. Or perhaps this is really a Cub kool-aid game. Wood & Prior are better than any two pitchers on the WSox because ... well they just are damn it! :D :D Edited June 3, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:36 PM) Precisely. The short-term benefits of the Cubs having their starters pitch long into games will most likely come back to haunt them in August and September. The Cubs absolutely cannot win games where their bullpen has to pitch extended (i.e. 2+) and important innings. Their seven game winning streak: 3 wins against the horrible Rockies, 3 wins against a flagging Dodgers team, 1 win against a division leader. Let's see how they do over the next seven games. To do this, they've had to have outstanding (not good, not great, but outstanding) starting pitching efforts, even with white-hot performances by Lee and Ramerez. Cubs are about to win the series against the Padres. They are up 10-1 in the rubber match with little to no chance for the Padres to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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