DBAHO Posted June 5, 2005 Author Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) kotchman should be used as bait for pitching for the Angels. Personally I think Anaheim would be crazy to deal Kotchman when he's got Darrin Erstad in front of him. Maybe the Sox could go for a bullpen arm from the Angels instead. Doubt they'd give up someone like Scott Shields for Everett though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 5, 2005 Author Share Posted June 5, 2005 Speaking of Sean Tracey, now the Phillies were scouting him heavily a week or 2 back, and I see this little bit of news; The Phillies would like to move Vicente Padilla to the bullpen. They think he can pick up an extra mile per hour or two pitching in shorter stints. The problem is they don't really have anyone to replace him in the lineup, meaning they could try to make a trade for a starter. Placido Polanco and Ryan Howard would likely be used as the trade bait. Jun. 5 - 10:07 am et Could Sean Tracey be a starter they would look at? They've got Gavin Floyd though, so they'd probably give him first crack. Polanco has always been an option at third base though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) Personally I think Anaheim would be crazy to deal Kotchman when he's got Darrin Erstad in front of him. Maybe the Sox could go for a bullpen arm from the Angels instead. Doubt they'd give up someone like Scott Shields for Everett though. The angels bullpen has been weakened, w/ K Rod out. They don't seem to have the depth they've had in the past, with guys like Percival and Ben Weber moving on. They are stocked with versatile bench guys. The more I think about it, having a SS who could step in on an everyday basis in Izturis, should Uribe go down [Ozuna may be OK], could help the sox this year and in the future. Yet the Ricky Guiterrez experiment in AAA hasn't gone that well. And Pedro Lopez hasn't hit his weight in AAA. With Valido the best option at SS in A ball, the sox are thin here. Too thin if Uribe goes down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider17 Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 08:44 AM) Interesting thoughts. We'll have to see how it plays out. Sometimes things have a way of working themselves out, what's a problem today could be resolved by other factors in a moment's notice. That a very Jedi-ish attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 A team trading for Thomas right now would have to pay him $18M for 10 months of baseball. That drops to $16M for 9 months after June. No team is going to take on that salary for a DH who is not healthy enough to play 1B in reserve. Which leaves Everett as the odd man out. Dye is on a hot streak. He's now 2nd behind Koney in TB, & HR. He's gone from hitting .175 in Apr to hitting .275 in May. Solid hits as well. His OPS has risen from .518 in Apr to .933 in May. His Jun is shapping up to be even better. That's the only other place Everett can get AB's unless he can convince Ozzie he can spell Koney at 1B. I hope he can because he's a big part of this team's chemistry. He's a great athlete so I don't see why he can't field that position. Better than Timo I'm sure. But even so Gload's a sure handed 1B & a solid hitting LHB so Everett has competition there as well. You can't manage a 25 man roster based on the belief a guy WILL get hurt again. As much as I like Jurassic as a player it seems the best thing to do is to trade him for a quality RP to replace Shingo in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 06:37 AM) Everett getting dealt makes the most sense. He's relatively cheap, and has proved he's healthy. Ana. really needs a DH. With their depth,[in AAA and on their MLB roster] the sox could use any number of their guys ATL may be another decent option. Thomas getting dealt makes the most sense. This is his last year as a member of the Chicago White Sox; why not test the waters to see what kind of player he could net? EDIT: This is a very odd sensation: I'm endorsing the trading of Frank Thomas. Dear Frank, The Sox got off to the best record in baseball without you. You are either with the program or you're not; like it or lump it. Thanks for your contributions throughout the years and we wish you the best of luck. Cheers, AddisonStSox Edited June 5, 2005 by AddisonStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly8509CWS Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 As much as I'd hate to see Frank go, I want KW to do whatever is best for the team. If it means dealing Frank to improve our chances of being contenders, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Please Kenny don't trade Frank over Carl that would be awful. Carl is definitely expendable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Thomas getting dealt makes the most sense. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No one is going to pay Thomas $18-16M for the rest of 2005 & 2006. Not even the NYY$'s. So are you now advocating the WSox pick up part of his contract to trade him? That's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 09:34 AM) No one is going to pay Thomas $18-16M for the rest of 2005 & 2006. Not even the NYY$'s. So are you now advocating the WSox pick up part of his contract to trade him? That's ridiculous. I truly believe that a happy, healthy Carl will be more productive this season in a pennant race then a sour Frank Thomas; if that means picking up part of that contract, so be it. Frank doesn't seem to be on board with these new-look White Sox. I'm not going to start a war with you or read 35 pages of non-sensical stats; I just want Carl to stay. I'm looking for W's in a pennant race, not a Frank Thomas legacy in a Sox uniform; trading Carl Everett would be a horrible move and I'd really hate to see him go over Frank. EDIT: FWIW, I believe this is Frank's last year on the Southside despite what either he or Reinsdorf says. Edited June 5, 2005 by AddisonStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 09:25 AM) Thomas getting dealt makes the most sense. This is his last year as a member of the Chicago White Sox; why not test the waters to see what kind of player he could net? EDIT: This is a very odd sensation: I'm endorsing the trading of Frank Thomas. Dear Frank, The Sox got off to the best record in baseball without you. You are either with the program or you're not; like it or lump it. Thanks for your contributions throughout the years and we wish you the best of luck. Cheers, AddisonStSox <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow...just wow.... Could you be a more gullible tool for the Cubbie biased media. First off Thomas couldn't get us ANYTHING. Second I have no doubt that he is anything but a total team player. Also anyone who honestly believes that we can win this division without a strong Thomas back in the lineup you have been drinking way too much ozzieball koolaid. The fact is we have the best record in baseball somehow in spite of Frank being out, certainly not because of it. When the schedule gets tougher Carl and his .230 batting average and poor OBP certainly isn't going to cut it. We need Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 09:45 AM) Wow...just wow.... Could you be a more gullible tool for the Cubbie biased media. First off Thomas couldn't get us ANYTHING. Second I have no doubt that he is anything but a total team player. Also anyone who honestly believes that we can win this division without a strong Thomas back in the lineup you have been drinking way too much ozzieball koolaid. The fact is we have the best record in baseball somehow in spite of Frank being out, certainly not because of it. When the schedule gets tougher Carl and his .230 batting average and poor OBP certainly isn't going to cut it. We need Thomas. This has nothing to do with reading what the media provides. Losing Everett would be a bad move; that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Crazier things have happened, if Kenny can find someone to take on Frank and that dinosaur of a contract, I'm all for it. I'm looking for production, not legacy. That's it folks, I'm out for the day. That's my just my two cents, relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Okay, so the logic is that the current situation is unfair b/c we have too many good players. They won't get as many abs as they 'should', so we have to get rid of a good player just so everything's "fair" -- even if we don't get much of anything in return. That about right? Stupid argument. A team should keep good players if it can't get something better in a trade. Keep them both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 09:48 AM) I'm looking for production, not legacy. Apparently you are not if you are advocating Carl staying over Frank... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Carl should be the one to leave, not Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 08:52 AM) Timo doesn't get that many AB's as it is. He doesn't factor into this equation. The fact that Frank and Carl can only DH is the biggest reason a deal may go through Timo leads are bench in at bats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 CAN they trade Frank Thomas? Wouldn't the 10-5 rule come into effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(Big Hurtin @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 11:46 AM) CAN they trade Frank Thomas? Wouldn't the 10-5 rule come into effect. I think they would trade evert anyway before frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 12:47 PM) I think they would trade evert anyway before frank I agree. I was just wondering if it's even a matter for debate, unless Frank is demanding to be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(Big Hurtin @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 11:51 AM) I agree. I was just wondering if it's even a matter for debate, unless Frank is demanding to be traded. Frank dosent want to be traded he is all big about his legacy here and getting a ring! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 08:46 AM) What sickens me in this whole situation is it reeks of Ozzie's desire to find at bats for Timo. If he would just give Carl Timo's at bats then everyone would be happy and we could get rid of Timo. Thank you! Trading Carl would be a negative blow to this team's chemistry. He has emerged as the leader of this team. With Carl as the fourth outfielder spelling Dye, Pods and Rowand (Pods in CF, Carl in LF), plus DHing a couple of times a week and some pinch hitting, both Frank and Carl can get plenty of AB's and everyone stays fresh. Timo just takes AB's away from Carl. With Gload back on the bench, Timo's role of LH pinch hitter is also taken. Keep Carl and Frank and cut Timo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Id like to keep both, but if 1 had to go it has to be Everett, he was on fire for like 1-2 weeks and than has been pretty crappy since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-HATE-CREDE Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 If Everett is such a "team first" player he won't mind coming off the bench the rest of the season. Ozzie could get him in the line-up three-four times a week by sitting Frank once, Dye once, Rowand once(moving Pods to center). I'm worried they'll trade Carl and Thomas will down with another injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 QUOTE(I-HATE-CREDE @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) If Everett is such a "team first" player he won't mind coming off the bench the rest of the season. Ozzie could get him in the line-up three-four times a week by sitting Frank once, Dye once, Rowand once(moving Pods to center). I'm worried they'll trade Carl and Thomas will down with another injury. That's almost exactly what Carl said. Whatever is best for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-HATE-CREDE Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 That's almost exactly what Carl said. Whatever is best for the team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did he? Sorry, I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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