DBAHO Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 From the Southtown; While the All-Star campaigns for pitchers Dustin Hermanson, Mark Buehrle and Jon Garland have begun, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen has another potential Sox All-Star in mind. "(Hermanson) deserves the opportunity. Garland and Buehrle, too. Even (Jose) Contreras," Guillen said. "You look at Contreras, he's ... tough to hit against numbers-wise." Contreras (2-2, 3.27 ERA) might not have the wins to match Buehrle (7-1, 3.15) or Garland (9-2, 3.40), but he has been tough on American League hitters all season. Contreras leads the league with a .200 opponents batting average, which is 15 percentage points below the next lowest total put up by the Twins' Johan Santana, the 2004 Cy Young Award winner. "He's definitely pitched to win a lot of games," Guillen said of Contreras. Despite the Sox having the best record in the majors, first baseman Paul Konerko is the only South Sider among the top three in fan voting for position players. He trails the New York Yankees' Tino Martinez by 110,000 votes for the starting first-base job. "Most of the times the kids are voting for their favorite players. They're not voting for the guy that should be there," Guillen said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Contreras's periphrals are awesome. His walks are way down, and he is working deep into most games. If he had half of the run support of Garland, Contreras would have 8 or 9 wins too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 6, 2005 Author Share Posted June 6, 2005 I know Garland's been the main suprise this season, but I have to say the biggest one to me has been Contreras. He was a HUGE worry for me going into this season, and he's totally proved me wrong. I just didn't see him posting something below a 4 ERA in his time at the Cell. Let's hope he can continue the way he's been pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 01:49 PM) I know Garland's been the main suprise this season, but I have to say the biggest one to me has been Contreras. He was a HUGE worry for me going into this season, and he's totally proved me wrong. I just didn't see him posting something below a 4 ERA in his time at the Cell. Let's hope he can continue the way he's been pitching. which is exactly why i'm baffled that there are some on this site who believed at one point that Jose should go sit in the pen while McCarthy took his spot in the rotation. The guy is finally starting to live up to the hype, let's enjoy the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 6, 2005 Author Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) which is exactly why i'm baffled that there are some on this site who believed at one point that Jose should go sit in the pen while McCarthy took his spot in the rotation. The guy is finally starting to live up to the hype, let's enjoy the results. Exactly. A lack of run support of Contreras has cost him wins no doubt. Have a look at the run support say Jon Garland would have compared to Jose so far this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuehrleTheAce Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Tino Martinez, All Star at first base? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 I doubt we will have more than 1 all star, and it certainly wont be the count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISF Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Whether you like it or not, win stats are used in helping determine all-star pitchers. Even the crappy teams have to have somebody there, and KC will either have Sweeney or Greinke. Contreras at 2-2 won't be there. Buerhle and Garland are givens at this point, El Duque might go as well. That could change in the next 3 weeks if Garland doesn't start pitching better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuehrleTheAce Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(ISF @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 10:31 AM) Whether you like it or not, win stats are used in helping determine all-star pitchers. Buerhle and Garland are givens at this point Thank God Torre won't be managing the AL team this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(ISF @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 09:31 AM) Whether you like it or not, win stats are used in helping determine all-star pitchers. Even the crappy teams have to have somebody there, and KC will either have Sweeney or Greinke. Contreras at 2-2 won't be there. Buerhle and Garland are givens at this point, El Duque might go as well. That could change in the next 3 weeks if Garland doesn't start pitching better. I dont think we will get more than 1 starting pitcher, and possibly Hermy, but probably not. If we have more that 2 players in the game, I will be shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(BuehrleTheAce @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) Tino Martinez, All Star at first base? LOL If Tino Martinez and Paul Konerko are 2 of the top 3 vote getters at 1st base, I wonder who the 3rd guy is. I bet it's somebody else that's entirely non-deserving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) If Tino Martinez and Paul Konerko are 2 of the top 3 vote getters at 1st base, I wonder who the 3rd guy is. I bet it's somebody else that's entirely non-deserving. Maybe it's Texiera. He's very deserving though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 francona has his choice of players for the all star game, i believe, he might call out on one of the sox players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Too bad Count has been plagued with bad run support. He definately should be considered for the ASG. He's pitched really nice this year. Isn't he top 5 in ERA for starting pitcher in the AL?? I also am one who can't believe people wanted Contreras in the pen to make room for BMac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 ozzie would be a biased opinion, so obviously he thinks contreras should be an allstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Count has been fantastic and would be an All Star with run support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuehrleTheAce Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 02:00 PM) If Tino Martinez and Paul Konerko are 2 of the top 3 vote getters at 1st base, I wonder who the 3rd guy is. I bet it's somebody else that's entirely non-deserving. I would have to go with Teixeira. He's been a beast this year. In order, the Top 3 1b should be: Mark Teixeira, Texas Mike Sweeney, KC Umm, nevermind, the rest don't really match up. Tino/PK/Sexson would be the best of the rest, and that ain't saying much. If PK got his AVG up another 50 points he'd be #3 without a doubt. Tino is still on the map due to his early-season barrage, but he's plummetted back down to earth in a hurry, and Sexson strikes out way too much (and has a low AVG). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 I wish we could get 0. I want our players to rest and not play in a meaningless game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 03:12 PM) I wish we could get 0. I want our players to rest and not play in a meaningless game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Ohhh....... Yeah, I remember that bulls***. How the All-Star game decides home field adv. Thats some gay ass bulls***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 01:48 PM) Count has been fantastic and would be an All Star with run support. Wins and name recognition. He won't be an All-Star, obviously. But yeah, I'm very happy with how well he's been doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) Wins and name recognition. He won't be an All-Star, obviously. But yeah, I'm very happy with how well he's been doing. Which is why I said with run support. He would have a lot more wins with run support. Too bad wins are the most overrated stat on the planet, but that's another debate for another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 I'm VERY happy with the season Jose has had to this point. Gotta give some props to Don Cooper. He's done a great job with Jose. I didn't even realize he was limiting hitters to a .200 batting average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 I think Mark B, Garland, Hermanson should all be on the team. Also Iguchi and maybe A.J. No Paulie. Anybody else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 02:00 PM) If Tino Martinez and Paul Konerko are 2 of the top 3 vote getters at 1st base, I wonder who the 3rd guy is. I bet it's somebody else that's entirely non-deserving. You're right, it's Kevin Millar, LOL. The one getting royally screwed is Mark Teixiera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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