Dean calls GOP 'a white Christian party'

[KipWellsFan]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/artic...Ndean07.TMP&o=1

 

[southsider2k5]

If anyone is going to put another Republican in office it is Howard Dean. The dope that he is, he is giving them a tangible target for half of their paranoias.

[southsider2k5]

I loved this response....

 

Asked about it on the "Fox & Friends" show, GOP Party Chairman Ken Mehlman joked that "a lot of folks who attended my Bar Mitzvah would be surprised" he heads a Christian party.

[Rex Kickass]

If anyone is going to put another Republican in office it is Howard Dean.  The dope that he is, he is giving them a tangible target for half of their paranoias.

 

Kinda sad, that they have to rely on bashing people who AREN'T in office to protect people who are.

[jasonxctf]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/res...0/epolls.0.html

 

Let me just preface this with the fact that Dean should not have said this. However it's pretty true. The only categories that Bush actually won were men, christians or caucasians.

 

From these numbers below you would think that Kerry would have won. It just shows how important getting out your party base is.

 

Males: Bush 55% Kerry 44%

Females: Kerry 51% Bush 48%

 

White Men: Bush 62% Kerry 37%

White Women: Bush 55% Kerry 44%

Non-White Men: Kerry 67% Bush 30%

Non-White Women: Kerry 75% Bush 24%

 

Overall Whites: Bush 58% Kerry 41%

Overall African Americans: Kerry 88% Bush 11%

Overall Latinos: Kerry 53% Bush 44%

Overal Asians: Kerry 56% Bush 44%

Others: Kerry 54% Bush 40%

 

Protestants: Bush 59% Kerry 40%

Catholic: Bush 52% Kerry 47%

Jewish: Kerry 74% Bush 25%

Other: Kerry 74% Bush 23%

None: Kerry 67% Bush 31%

[jasonxctf]

I loved this response....

 

Asked about it on the "Fox & Friends" show, GOP Party Chairman Ken Mehlman joked that "a lot of folks who attended my Bar Mitzvah would be surprised" he heads a Christian party.

 

 

guess he is part of the 25% of jewish people who actually voted for Bush.

[Soxy]

Dean's comments are idiotic. What he said is offensive--like there's something wrong being religious. Friggin ludicrous. And due to the sheer number of Christians in this country there's probably a load of them voting independent, democrat, socialist, libertarian, whatever. And if you broke down the voting into denominations, I bet that Kerry would probably have won some of the more liberal denominations (ELCA Lutheran, Anglican, UU's, etc). Just a stupid comment.

[jasonxctf]

you're seriously offended???

[Soxy]

you're seriously offended???

Yep. I think that comments like that divide the party even more than it is--I also think that it pushes away moderates (hell, I'm not even a moderate and it pissed me off). Perhaps Dean's time would be better spent trying to get Christians/religious people to vote for him instead of ragging on the republicans and their constituents. Forget about the other party and get youself in order....

Edited June 8, 2005 by ChiSoxyGirl

[jasonxctf]

on behalf of Howard Dean and the Democratic Party.. i apologize for offending you.

 

[jasonxctf]

Yep. I think that comments like that divide the party even more than it is--I also think that it pushes away moderates (hell, I'm not even a moderate and it pissed me off). Perhaps Dean's time would be better spent trying to get Christians/religious people to vote for him instead of ragging on the republicans and their constituents. Forget about the other party and get youself in order....

 

His phrasing was no doubt poor. But as the above figures show, these are the only categories that the president won. There is truth behind the comments. It's no different than republicans saying that the democratic party is the party of the minorities and poor. (women, blacks, latinos, asians, etc.)

[Rex Kickass]

Yep. I think that comments like that divide the party even more than it is--I also think that it pushes away moderates (hell, I'm not even a moderate and it pissed me off). Perhaps Dean's time would be better spent trying to get Christians/religious people to vote for him instead of ragging on the republicans and their constituents. Forget about the other party and get youself in order....

 

That's what he's doing. Dean is speaking to his base and raising money. That's his job - he says it, so the candidates who need that vote doesn't have to.

 

Sort of like when Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell blamed the gays for 9/11.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/res...0/epolls.0.html

 

Let me just preface this with the fact that Dean should not have said this. However it's pretty true. The only categories that Bush actually won were men, christians or caucasians.

 

From these numbers below you would think that Kerry would have won. It just shows how important getting out your party base is.

 

Males: Bush 55% Kerry 44%

Females: Kerry 51% Bush 48%

 

White Men: Bush 62% Kerry 37%

White Women: Bush 55% Kerry 44%

Non-White Men: Kerry 67% Bush 30%

Non-White Women: Kerry 75% Bush 24%

 

Overall Whites: Bush 58% Kerry 41%

Overall African Americans: Kerry 88% Bush 11%

Overall Latinos: Kerry 53% Bush 44%

Overal Asians: Kerry 56% Bush 44%

Others: Kerry 54% Bush 40%

 

Protestants: Bush 59% Kerry 40%

Catholic: Bush 52% Kerry 47%

Jewish: Kerry 74% Bush 25%

Other: Kerry 74% Bush 23%

None: Kerry 67% Bush 31%

 

 

The Republican party is always going to have trouble getting their message across to blacks especially when their "leaders" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton command so much attention. Its REALLY annoying to me that prominent black officials such as Clarance Thomas, Condi Rice and Colin Powell when he was in are referred to Uncle Toms and traitors to their race for having conservative political views.

 

Hispanics are another story though. Republicans are making very solid gains among that voting bloc and that bodes well for them as they are the fastest growing of the minority groups. They actually pay attention to and appreciate that the Bush Administration has made an effort to include them at the highest levels of government.

[jasonxctf]

yeah the republicans have made a big push for the latino vote. They are still 9 pts behind nationally and I think it depends on the candidate rather than the party as a whole. Bush being an ex-texan did pretty well with this demographic. i'd venture to guess that other's such as Bob Dole didn't have this same level of success. While it's still early, unless McCain gets the nomination (which the religous right won't let him get) i'd bet that this difference between repubs and dems goes back to double digits for latinos.

 

i'm actually surprised by how large of a gap there was for asian americans. for some reason (which i can't explain) i would havee thought the republicans would be polling better here.

[Balta1701]

yeah the republicans have made a big push for the latino vote. They are still 9 pts behind nationally and I think it depends on the candidate rather than the party as a whole. Bush being an ex-texan did pretty well with this demographic. i'd venture to guess that other's such as Bob Dole didn't have this same level of success. While it's still early, unless McCain gets the nomination (which the religous right won't let him get) i'd bet that this difference between repubs and dems goes back to double digits for latinos.

 

i'm actually surprised by how large of a gap there was for asian americans. for some reason (which i can't explain) i would havee thought the republicans would be polling better here.

 

From the poll numbers I've read...the thing which made the difference for Bush with latinos was that in January of 04 he proposed a guest-worker program.

 

It was never again discussed in the campaign because it didn't poll well with anyone outside of the latino community, but a very significant number of latinos did cite that proposal as a reason they voted for Bush.

[Benchwarmerjim]

Its REALLY annoying to me that prominent black officials such as Clarance Thomas, Condi Rice and Colin Powell when he was in are referred to Uncle Toms and traitors to their race for having conservative political views.

 

 

 

I agree with that statement

[Texsox]

I don't know.  I detect a resemblance to the postman.

 

Sorry Mr. Dean, but I'm a white Christian and I voted for Kerry. Does he want me to switch parties?

 

I dislike all reference to races, religions, sexes, etc. and how they all must somehow support the same candidate or party. I'm a anti-Union Dem. I'm a pro-gun Dem. I am at times a pro-media GOPernaut. Unlike some GOPernauts who want to believe we can cut taxes and increase spending, I would rather see a tax and spend, then a spend and borrow. If McCain runs, I would be greatly tempted to campaign for him, regardless of the Dem candidate. Bottom line, any absolute statement would be wrong in describing me.

[Rex Kickass]

Here's some context to Dean's statement.

 

They have the agenda of the conservative Christians...the Republicans don't include people. Look, they are outside the mainstream. They have used words like quota to try to separate black from white Americans. They did scapegoat gay Americans by putting an anti-gay amendment on it--in 11 states where gay marriage is already against the law. And they are attacking immigrants. Two--two Republican congressmen, Jim Sensenbrenner and Tom Tancredo, have incredible anti-immigrant legislation. This is not the way America needs to be.

[Soxy]

Here's some context to Dean's statement.

Thanks, wino, that helps me figure out what he was talking about.

[southsider2k5]

Here's some context to Dean's statement.

 

Yeah him and Hitler... they were just misunderstood.

[CubKilla]

If Dean would have campaigned along an "I'll go ape-s*** once a week and scream like a mad man in public if elected to the Presidency", I'd have voted for him.

 

YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!

[Texsox]

Yeah him and Hitler... they were just misunderstood.

 

Comparing Dean to Hitler

[Rex Kickass]

Yeah him and Hitler... they were just misunderstood.

 

:rolly

 

That could be the dumbest thing you've ever said.

[southsider2k5]

:rolly

 

That could be the dumbest thing you've ever said.

 

I'm sure you are just taking me out of context... :rolly

[Rex Kickass]

Unless you think there's something wrong with being a white Christian.

 

Being a white Christian, I don't have a problem with it.

 

Did you listen to the audio file? He said "The Republicans are pretty much a white christian party. The Democrats include everyone." That would be the polar opposite of what Hitler would say.