Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 10, 2005 -> 11:40 PM) Everbody but el duque I know he is 7-1 but he has pitched like he should be atleast 3-4. That's why I love him so much. He can get out of trouble with the best of them. That's a great quality to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Panky Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 If Joe f***ing Torre manages for the AL during the All-Star Game then I will be real f***ing pissed. Last year, Konerko should have made the All-Star Game, but instead that stupid Yank Giambi got to play. That was horses***. Too bad Giambi really sucks this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(Hanky Panky @ Jun 11, 2005 -> 12:48 AM) If Joe f***ing Torre manages for the AL during the All-Star Game then I will be real f***ing pissed. Last year, Konerko should have made the All-Star Game, but instead that stupid Yank Giambi got to play. That was horses***. Too bad Giambi really sucks this year. Francona is the Manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvxplorer Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Every sports website, from ESPN to Fox to SI, has a story: Garland First AL Pitcher to 10 Wins. The stinking Cubune's recap of tonight's game says Garland is now 9-2. I'm not surprised, and I almost think it's done deliberately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted June 11, 2005 Author Share Posted June 11, 2005 http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...tesox-headlines JON FOCKING GARLAND I SAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_ventura_eternal Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 JON gets it done when he has to. He has the confidence he has needed for years and the biggest reason is because of Ozzie. Go JON <{POST_SNAPBACK}> dont get me wrong, i love garland. but for me, you cant get any more consistant than burhle. i think that by seasons end, burhle will have the better ERA and record, probably not by much, but there you have it. burhle's durability is invaluable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(robin_ventura_eternal @ Jun 11, 2005 -> 01:40 AM) dont get me wrong, i love garland. but for me, you cant get any more consistant than burhle. i think that by seasons end, burhle will have the better ERA and record, probably not by much, but there you have it. burhle's durability is invaluable. Maybe a better era, but i doubt he would have a better record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jun 10, 2005 -> 11:29 PM) We should have traded Jon Garland to the Angels for Darren Focking Erstad :finger I was thinking about that trade a few days ago. Realistically, that trade might have gotten us a division title or two bye now. Of course, today, that non-trade looks good for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 11, 2005 -> 01:43 AM) I was thinking about that trade a few days ago. Realistically, that trade might have gotten us a division title or two bye now. Of course, today, that non-trade looks good for the Sox. Why would a mediocore erstad have put us over the top and into the playoffs? This guy is extremely overpaid (7.5 this year and 8.5 the next). He also has a no trade clause included into his contract and i will never understand why. His career ops+ is 98 and his career high is 137. The last four years it looks like this. 2001- 78. 2002- 88. 2003- 75. 2004- 95. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 11, 2005 -> 01:49 AM) Why would a mediocore erstad have put us over the top and into the playoffs? This guy is extremely overpaid (7.5 this year and 8.5 the next). He also has a no trade clause included into his contract and i will never understand why. His career ops+ is 98 and his career high is 137. The last four years it looks like this. 2001- 78. 2002- 88. 2003- 75. 2004- 95. :puke Erstad was a decent LH stick, something we lacked, and was also a good defensive player. Garland would have had to have been replaced in the rotation, no doubt about that. I'm not saying it's carved in stone, but Erstad was no slouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 10, 2005 -> 11:55 PM) Erstad was a decent LH stick, something we lacked, and was also a good defensive player. Ross Gload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 10, 2005 -> 11:49 PM) Why would a mediocore erstad have put us over the top and into the playoffs? This guy is extremely overpaid (7.5 this year and 8.5 the next). He also has a no trade clause included into his contract and i will never understand why. Some teams just give away no trade clauses like they're candy. I think that no trade clauses are pretty often signs of a bad GM/Owner. Almost everyone out there can find themselves in a situation where a trade could potentially help the team. Boston's philosophy is brilliant...they have like 5 guys who immediately get No Trade Clauses if they actually sign anyone to a no trade clause, but since no one has gotten one out of them, they have zero no trade clauses. That's how you structure some contracts. I can see maybe doing it with a veteran, a guy like Frank who's given a ton of service to your organization...but just as a sign of loyalty. That's the only reason it makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 11, 2005 -> 02:53 AM) Ross Gload. We didn't have Gload up in 2003. Gload was a bench player in 2004. Erstad would have been in the lineup somewhere. But, regardless, it's a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I can see benefits for the Sox in Jon starting. He'd be used to the pressure if we make the playoffs. I also can see the non-benefits. He doesn't have it and throws BP, gives up 4 homers and is another Atlee Hammaker. I say start Mark B! Congrats though to Jon on 10 wins and that base hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(greg775 @ Jun 11, 2005 -> 06:31 PM) I also can see the non-benefits. He doesn't have it and throws BP, gives up 4 homers and is another Atlee Hammaker. Atlee Hammaker 1983 AS Game at Comiskey - Fred Lynn Grand Slam reference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 QUOTE(robin_ventura_eternal @ Jun 11, 2005 -> 12:40 AM) dont get me wrong, i love garland. but for me, you cant get any more consistant than burhle. i think that by seasons end, burhle will have the better ERA and record, probably not by much, but there you have it. burhle's durability is invaluable. BUERHLE. BUERHLE. BUERHLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I can see some mad Sox love coming from Francona b/c he has White Sox connections. Maybe Garland will start. But the guy who's been pitching hte best has been Count, if our hitters would step up for Count like they have for Jon. ... you can only imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jun 10, 2005 -> 10:29 PM) We should have traded Jon Garland to the Angels for Darren Focking Erstad :finger Haha, my friend from North Dakota would have liked that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 SAN DIEGO -- How good is Jon Garland starting to feel about his hot start? Garland took a moment Friday night to sarcastically call out a reporter who likened one of his rough spring outings to one of many last season in which one bad inning ended any chance he had at victory. Garland's tendency to give up the one poor inning in a game is nearly gone this season, but it drove manager Ozzie Guillen crazy in 2004. So when Garland gave up three home runs among nine hits in six innings to Oakland in a spring game March 28 of this year, the writer noted, "It wouldn't have been considered a joke to say [Garland] looked to be in midseason form.'' Garland made it known he was aware of the article, even holding a hard copy of it a few days after he pitched. He'd been invited to keep the copy and throw it in the reporter's face if he did well this season, but he claimed he was "not that type of person'' and instead threw the article in the trash. After defeating the San Diego Padres on Friday night to earn his 10th victory in the Sox' 60th game, Garland became that type of person when asked if San Diego's spacious Petco Park was a place he'd like to pitch in more often. "From what I hear,'' Garland said, sensing an opportunity. "I still had a home run hit off me. Back to midseason form, as you said.'' Garland has every right to feel smug. This season, he's 10-2 with a 3.23 ERA after a dozen starts, whereas last season at this point he was 5-3 with a 4.73 ERA. Run support can't even be cited for Garland's turnaround. The Sox had scored 73 runs in Garland's first 12 starts last season, with 69 in the same number of games this season. His 10th victory puts him on a wicked pace for 26 victories this season. At the very least, he is one of the favorites to be selected for the July 12 All-Star Game in Detroit. "If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't,'' Garland said of his potential first All-Star appearance. "I just want to go out and do what I can for my team.'' Anyone know who that reporter was? Im just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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