fathom Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) In my opinon, and my opinion only; Hermanson should not have pitched tonight. I had that opinion BEFORE he pitched tonight, due to watching him pitch in the last week or so. He is missing something right now that he had earlier in the year. What it is... I don't know. The answer to your question is obvious. Hermanson has lost his feel/release point on his splitter. Earlier in the year, Hermanson was almost a guarantee to get a strikeout or weak grounder once he got to two strikes on a batter because of his splitter. In his last 7 starts, I believe he has one K on his splitter. He had a chance to put Hernandez away with it on a 1-2 pitch tonight, and didn't come close to a strike. Hermanson doesn't have good enough stuff to get by without having his good splitter. With Hermanson's health issues in the past, Ozzie needs to be careful not to overuse him. Edited June 12, 2005 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Mystery solved, then. On to the next thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 03:44 AM) Once again, I would just like to voice the fact that I am the ORIGINAL Neal Cotts backer, no matter what others may say. (And that means you Qwerty) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 04:44 AM) Once again, I would just like to voice the fact that I am the ORIGINAL Neal Cotts backer, no matter what others may say. (And that means you Qwerty) QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 04:51 AM) For some reason, I sense a differing of opinions between you two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 This talk of hermanson going through a stretch of 'tired arm'' is just insane to me. He has been a starter most of his career therefore my reasoning for thinking 20 some odd innings in over fifty games will not make his arm ''sore''. I am gonna say it is his back that is still bothering him and leave it at that. I never thought the hermanson pick-up was as good as advertised ( i honestly think his era will be over four this season and have said it all along, hope i am wrong though). I also never thought the pen was one of the top 3-5 in baseball which was being said all of this past off-season. Is it because of our ''depth'' that they are so good? Having 14 different guys that can be s***ty does not overly excite me. Oh and hernandez makes me sick watching him pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 09:05 AM) This talk of hermanson going through a stretch of 'tired arm'' is just insane to me. He has been a starter most of his career therefore my reasoning for thinking 20 some odd innings in over fifty games will not make his arm ''sore''. I am gonna say it is his back that is still bothering him and leave it at that. I never thought the hermanson pick-up was as good as advertised ( i honestly think his era will be over four this season and have said it all along, hope i am wrong though). I also never thought the pen was one of the top 3-5 in baseball which was being said all of this past off-season. Is it because of our ''depth'' that they are so good? Having 14 different guys that can be s***ty does not overly excite me. Yeah, I don't buy the tired arm. Remember, people were saying the reason he gave up his first runs to the Angels about 10 games was because he hadn't pitched in a while. I wouldn't be shocked if Vizcaino ends up with a better ERA than Hermanson. I'm just thankful we got such a great stretch out of Hermanson at a time where the rest of the bullpen was slumping, besides Politte. Cotts is picking up his game now, and I have hope that Vizcaino will improve. I have no hope for Shingo though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Montana Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 i didnt expect hermy to save 100% of his save chances. All closers blow a game some time. I expect Hermanson will shake this outing off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawa_sox Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) Whether his arm or his back is not 100%, I agree with the notion that he needs to get it fixed. I don't think it matters how much control he has over his splitter or whatever pitch he offers, he needs to be able to greatly improve on 86 MPH. Otherwise we are going to have to get used to the opposition fighting off lots of pitches before they can handle something. Like your proverbial 10 pitch at bat ending in a hit. I certainly think something physical is going on. Hopefully some rest or rehab will take care of it. I would be the last guy to get on hermanson's case about this. I think he has a great mental makeup for the job and will continue to be unfazed by whatever is going on. Here's to getting back on track Hermy! Edited June 12, 2005 by ottawa_sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Well I assume Dustin blew the save last night, I've been in Cali all week so I'm kind of lost on what's been going on, I was just getting the scores and a few updates from my friends. Was this just last night that Dustin got hit or has he been getting hit hard all week?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 02:44 AM) Once again, I would just like to voice the fact that I am the ORIGINAL Neal Cotts backer, no matter what others may say. (And that means you Qwerty) Pssh, you got away with that bs while I was gone dbaho but now that I'm back you know I'm the biggest Neal backer around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 02:24 PM) i didnt expect hermy to save 100% of his save chances. All closers blow a game some time. I expect Hermanson will shake this outing off. If it was just this one BS people wont care that much.... Its because ever since giving up that 1st run he has been really really shaky.... He is begining to be like Marte kind of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 12:00 AM) And once again, Hermanson has gotten a few saves on awesome defensive plays to end the inning. So when a pitcher gets pulled out of a game, does the defense come with him? Does no one else get the benefit of the defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 04:05 AM) This talk of hermanson going through a stretch of 'tired arm'' is just insane to me. He has been a starter most of his career therefore my reasoning for thinking 20 some odd innings in over fifty games will not make his arm ''sore''. I am gonna say it is his back that is still bothering him and leave it at that. I never thought the hermanson pick-up was as good as advertised ( i honestly think his era will be over four this season and have said it all along, hope i am wrong though). I also never thought the pen was one of the top 3-5 in baseball which was being said all of this past off-season. Is it because of our ''depth'' that they are so good? Having 14 different guys that can be s***ty does not overly excite me. Oh and hernandez makes me sick watching him pitch. Bad back is still bugging him. Next question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) Bad back is still bugging him. Next question. Yes, Right here. I have a question. Is there any truth to the rumor going around that says that you "know everything"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) Yes, Right here. I have a question. Is there any truth to the rumor going around that says that you "know everything"? call me silly, but I am just putting two and two together here. His balls are staying up in the zone, and his breaking pitches (splitter and the like) aren't biting anymore, along with a small drop in velocity, a couple of weeks after he misses games with a tight back. It sounds to me like his back has tightened up and he can't finish through on his pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 So, then, why hasn't Herm Schneider hasn't stepped in and told Ozzie to shut Hermanson down for 15 days? Certainly they all know that there are 100+ games left in the season and that the Sox need everyone healthy to compete. If it was Hermanson's back and he needed rest, Ozzie wouldn't be throwing him out there.. would he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 12:14 PM) So, then, why hasn't Herm Schneider hasn't stepped in and told Ozzie to shut Hermanson down for 15 days? Certainly they all know that there are 100+ games left in the season and that the Sox need everyone healthy to compete. If it was Hermanson's back and he needed rest, Ozzie wouldn't be throwing him out there.. would he? Hermanson might not be saying anything. Or, his arm is just tired/weak and he doesnt even realize how slow his ball is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(GASHWOUND @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 03:08 AM) Its just hard to take anyone serious when you got to one extreme to another in a game or so. We have the best record in base, but Ozzy is a moron and we're stuck with him for another 3 years..Neal Cotts has been a bad relief pitcher and now all of a sudden we want him closing games for us...Hermanson has been one of the best closers in the AL this year and he's not getting 1-2-3 innings for us anymore and now we should trade for a closer now..Cause that ERA has ballooned almost to 2 You can't start whining cause Hermanson hasn't been lights out the past 3 or 4 games he's pitched in a season of 162 games. That's ridicules..You're judging him for a week or less of games.Now how does that sound to you? Hey, i guess I'm a moron for trying to keep things in perspective rather then crying wolf through our so called 'Crisis' of Hermanson. For starters, I've never said Cotts should close, and I've been saying quite a bit all year that I would be very much for bringing in atleast another setup guy to help strengthen the pen even more than it already is(I've mentioned Billy Wagner a bagillion times on here, even though that won't happen anymore with f***in Philly getting back in the race) Also, I'm saying right now Hermanson is shaky, or unreliable, because of his past 7-8 outings, where he has been mediocre at the very best. 7-8 times is a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Timeline: Soxtalk Members 2003- Billy Koch blows save on opening day. Soxtalk Members- " Ah it's only 1 blown save, gove they guy a chance, he'll come through, relax!" 2005- Shingo blows third game of season. Soxtalk Members- "Ah, he's been great, he's Shingo, lay off of him, it's only 1 blown save, give the guy a break, he'll be fine." 2005- Hermy blows great game for Mark Buehrle. Soxtalk members- "He's saved 15 out of 16, it's only one bad night, he's been close to perfect, he's still the best reliever in baseball, he'll be fine." Does anyone else notice a pattern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 QUOTE(Butter Parque @ Jun 12, 2005 -> 04:29 PM) Timeline: Soxtalk Members 2003- Billy Koch blows save on opening day. Soxtalk Members- " Ah it's only 1 blown save, gove they guy a chance, he'll come through, relax!" 2005- Shingo blows third game of season. Soxtalk Members- "Ah, he's been great, he's Shingo, lay off of him, it's only 1 blown save, give the guy a break, he'll be fine." 2005- Hermy blows great game for Mark Buehrle. Soxtalk members- "He's saved 15 out of 16, it's only one bad night, he's been close to perfect, he's still the best reliever in baseball, he'll be fine." Does anyone else notice a pattern? Sure, you can nitpick with the best of them... We haven't seen much of you lately, but then again we have been winning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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