Daigle En Fuego

[danman31]

Well he hopefully will be better than Brian Becker after he goes up.

I was waiting for that name to come up.

 

Becker raked at high A and was only servicable at best in AA. With that said, Daigle is hitting far better than Becker.

[hogsmom]

Prospect , non prospect, who cares! Leo is fun to watch , he's adding runs and wins for W-S, and we down here enjoy it a lot! Leo is good with the kids too, making time to talk with them and make sure that they have a good time at the ball park. He can stay for a while in W-S.

[BlackBetsy]

 

Rogo is 24 in AA after spending good parts of 2 years on the DL or nursing injuries and playing just one healthy full-season in W-S.

 

Okay, so if Rogo was 27, and had spent parts of 5 seasons on the DL, he would still be the same prospect? Doubtful. He's 24 in the Southern League, which is borderline old for the league.

 

He's also hitting .330 in AA, yet you don't care because Daigle, a 25-year old with AA experience, is hitting the cover off the ball in Winston-Salem and have gone on some kind of crusade to promote him for some unknown reason.

 

Did I say that Rogo SHOULDN'T be promoted? I'm pretty sure that I said the organization would be better off with Rogo in AAA and Daigle in AA than a Toca in AAA, Rogo in AA and Daigle in high-A. Yep. I did say that. Funny how you ignored the things I said that you might otherwise have agreed with to flame me.

 

How many HR's do you think he'd have in AA in a MUCH bigger park and less of a hitter's league?

 

Dunno. Young doesn't seem to have a problem getting them out of Birmingham. I'm guessing more than 5.

 

Rogo's career numbers:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/casey_rogowski.shtml

 

Daigle's career numbers:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/leo_daigle.shtml

 

That's an easy comparison to make?  In Daigle's full-season in AA he hit .238 while Rogo is hitting well over .300.  Meanwhile, Rogo JUST turned 24 while Daigle is just a couple months from turning 26.  This is Daigle's 6th *bleeping* year in A ball and a whole year in AA too!

 

I see Rogo spending 3 years in high-A, just like Daigle. I see Rogo struggling in his first two years there, too. There's not the same player, but there are comparable parts to their histories.

 

Moreover, I see the Detroit organization giving up WAY early on Daigle. Nook Logan put up pretty much the same stats with the Tiger AA club, and now he's in the big leagues.

 

In fact, the Sox were probably dumb for putting him down in Kannapolis last year - too low for his prior performance in high-A.

 

Sheeesh, this infatuation is utterly nonsensical.  Coming into this year he had almost 2600 minor league at-bats with a whopping .262 career average and .749 OPS.

 

I make one post clipping an article from MiLB.com and suggest that it's time for Daigle and Rogo to be bumped up, and it becomes an "infatuation." Nice try.

I'm that sorry someone OTHER THAN YOU has an opinion about the Sox minor leagues. It's YOUR TERRITORY, I guess. I should have smelled the pee you left on the trees around here.

 

Meanwhile, Rogo, who was drafted out of HS (to Daigle's college experience) came in as a very raw kid with a predominantly wrestling and football background, lost a ton of in-season and off-season development time (extremely important to young/raw prospect as that is when most individual work is done) due to injury.  He had merely 1,000 career minor league AB's heading into this season, and was a .270 hitter with a .800+OPS and a great OBP along the way...

Yet, it's an easy comparison?  LMFAO.  Easy as in "Graduationg from Harvard in 2 years is easy"?

 

When did I ever say that Rogo is not a prospect? All I ever said that at 24 years old, he's at the verge of becoming a non-prospect. I love Rogo's plate discipline and think he'd be a great option to replace Konerko. I'd like to see him get a half-season of AAA to see if he'll be ready.

 

Mind you, half of Rogo's 1,000 at-bats and the bulk of his .800+ OPS came last year, in his 23 year old, third season at high-A, which undercuts your argument about his career performance. You can either argue he's been a great player for three years or that he has been injured, but you can't argue both.

 

Further, if he has lost key development time, as you say, does that make him less of a prospect? Which is it? Has he lost key development time - and we know you can't time travel and make it up - or is he still a prospect with a high ceiling? Make up your mind about what you are arguing.

 

Graduationg?

 

Put your freaking crack pipe down and stop creaming yourself over a career minor leaguer.

 

Yup, that's an intelligent form of argument. Just ignore the performance of Daigle thus far this year and concentrate on one thing only - his age (25). And then insult the person who doesn't agree with Randar's view of the world.

You'll move up in the real world that way really well. Try it out on your boss.

 

I don't recall many people saying anything about Daigle on the boards here until the numbers he put up were simply too

[Randar68]

Randar is shooing away Daigle far too early. How many times have we seen a Scott Seabol or Joe Dillon toil away in the minors for years only to break out in their mid to late 20s or even early 30s? Daigle might have turned a corner, and then again it took Rogowski three years to move on past High-A. Randar seemingly pisses on everyone without really thinking about the other side of the coin, when the likelihood of Daigle perhaps becoming somewhat productive in the high levels of minor league baseball isn't too shabby.

 

For every 1 of those players you mentioned, there are 500 Kenny Rays. "not too shabby?"

Edited June 15, 2005 by Randar68

[Randar68]

Mind you, half of Rogo's 1,000 at-bats and the bulk of his .800+ OPS came last year, in his 23 year old, third season at high-A, which undercuts your argument about his career performance.  You can either argue he's been a great player for three years or that he has been injured, but you can't argue both.

 

Further, if he has lost key development time, as you say, does that make him less of a prospect? Which is it? Has he lost key development time - and we know you can't time travel and make it up - or is he still a prospect with a high ceiling? Make up your mind about what you are arguing.

 

So, Rogowski being behind-the-curve age-wise because of missing significant development time due to injury is somehow in contrast to the rest of my argument? I would be interested in reading how you came to that silly conclusion. It is in direct support of my argument that Rogowski is still a legit prospect, just one who has had his development delayed by injury, as opposed to Daigle who has not had that problem.

 

Daigle hasn't hit anything until his 6th season of A ball. I really have a hard time with your extremely convoluted and reaching point you are trying to make.

 

1000 minor league AB's versus 2500+

 

24 vs 26.

 

.330 in AA versus Daigle's .238 in AA.

 

There is absolutely no comparison between the players. Rogo's time in High-A was ~550 AB's, a hair over 1 season, before his repeat of that level. So yes, repeating high-A is a concern, but he did well there and is raking in AA.

 

just-24 is old for AA? Most college-experienced prospects are in AA when they are 22-23, is there that big a difference? Rogo was 23 on opening day, despite missing aforementioned time due to injuries...

 

Anyway, I've said enough, this silly comparison really deserves no more debate.

Edited June 15, 2005 by Randar68

[GoodAsGould]

i still dont see how people compare rogo and daigle... Rogo has been injured thats whats held him back daigle hasnt he has just sucked and now finally figured out High A ball........so people think he is a god :banghead