Adam G Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 (edited) Look at his last four outings: 5/16 vs. Texas: 2.2 IP, 6 ER *missed a start with bad shoulder* 6/3 vs. Cleveland: 6 IP, 4 ER 6/8 at Colorado: 6 IP, 4 ER 6/14 vs. Arizona: 4.2 IP, 6 ER These are not the types of outings that we need from Hernandez. Anyone think he's still nursing some sort of injury? He hasnt been walking as many guys the past two games (1 BB each), but the results just arent there this past month. Edited June 15, 2005 by Adam G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 QUOTE(Adam G @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) Look at his last four outings: 5/16 vs. Texas: 2.2 IP, 6 ER *missed a start with bad shoulder* 6/3 vs. Cleveland: 6 IP, 4 ER 6/8 at Colorado: 6 IP, 4 ER 6/14 vs. Arizona: 4.2 IP, 6 ER These are not the types of outings that we need from Hernandez. Anyone think he's still nursing some sort of injury? He hasnt been walking as many guys the past two games (1 BB each), but the results just arent there this past month. Well when you get behind every hitter 2-0 and 3-1 and then have to come back with a 84mph express meatball with extra cheese it goes a long way. He and the other cuban head case need to get the sign, throw the ball, then get the ball back for the next pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 If you couldn't see that his bad starts were just waiting to happen, then you weren't paying attention to his early starts. He had amazing luck early in the season avoiding the big inning, even though he gave up a ton of runners. His WHIP is a pathetic 1.60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 (edited) If you couldn't see that his bad starts were just waiting to happen, then you weren't paying attention to his early starts. He had amazing luck early in the season avoiding the big inning, even though he gave up a ton of runners. His WHIP is a pathetic 1.60. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Answer above. El Duque's WHIP has been horrible all season long. Sooner or later it was bound to catch up with him. He can't get lucky all the time. Edited June 15, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) Answer above. El Duque's WHIP has been horrible all season long. Sooner or later it was bound to catch up with him. He can't get lucky all the time. Photo of El Duque from tonights game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Exactly the issue with El Dookie and Contreras. When they struggle with control it is just a disaster waiting to happen. But, when they are sharp they are very very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 It is true that Hernandez has been playing with fire all year. But when it counts, he usually gets the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 It is true that Hernandez has been playing with fire all year. But when it counts, he usually gets the job done. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did last night count? :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 01:00 AM) Did last night count? :puke I did say "usually" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 11:50 PM) Well when you get behind every hitter 2-0 and 3-1 and then have to come back with a 84mph express meatball with extra cheese it goes a long way. I'm hungry now. :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 One interesting thought. I have read that part of the problem with pitching in Denver is that the thin air makes recovery a lot harder, and thus even makes their next start rough, as their body hasn't caught up like it usually would. Now go back and look at the pitching preformances of Garcia, Contreras, and Hernandez in their first starts after Colorado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go-sox05 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 (edited) once he gets his control going he'll be fine and im sure he will. Same with Contreas, but im not so sure about him. We should trade him for Loiaza. Edited June 15, 2005 by go-sox05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam G Posted June 15, 2005 Author Share Posted June 15, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 09:51 PM) If you couldn't see that his bad starts were just waiting to happen, then you weren't paying attention to his early starts. He had amazing luck early in the season avoiding the big inning, even though he gave up a ton of runners. His WHIP is a pathetic 1.60. Yeah, I've been paying attention, and the Cubans have gotten pretty lucky with timely inning ending double plays and such. It just seems like more than a change in luck is going on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec159row2 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 vazquez was throwing to a MUCH larger home plate last night... I didn't know the strike zone changed from pitcher to pitcher... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finkelstein Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 QUOTE(sec159row2 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 09:20 AM) vazquez was throwing to a MUCH larger home plate last night... I didn't know the strike zone changed from pitcher to pitcher... yeah, i noticed the same thing. But the umps strike zone isn't what beat Hernandez last night. He couldn't throw first pitch strike and fell behind almost every hitter. Both Cubans have a huge problem pitching from behind in the count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 El Duque's deal is he is old, and probably hurt.(Shoulder) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I think both of these guys need to turn the game over to Widger & AJ. They are still too often shaking off signs & taking forever to deliver a pitch. I read a quote by Cooper saying that El Duque is 2nd guessing himself right now. That might be an opening to stop shaking off signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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