Hideaway Lights Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Garland has not only gotten 13 decisions in 13 starts this year but also gets a decision nearly 77% of the time he starts in his career since becoming a full-time starter (85 decisions/111 starts since the beginning of 2002) That's an seemingly obscenely high decision-no decision ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted June 16, 2005 Author Share Posted June 16, 2005 I guess I was wrong. Most of the best pitchers have a similar ratio of decisions to no-decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 He also has something like 14 walks all season (don't know if that was entering todays game or after it). I know he walked 3 today (or I think he did). That to me is the #1 stat in terms of Jon's success. He's confident and is attacking hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 i wonder what we would all be saying and thinking about garland if the score from today was 6 - 2 dbacks heh 3 starts in a row from our pitching staff that wasnt up to white sox par... we'd be pissed and i laugh mUhahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 QUOTE(hi8is @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:38 AM) i wonder what we would all be saying and thinking about garland if the score from today was 6 - 2 dbacks heh 3 starts in a row from our pitching staff that wasnt up to white sox par... we'd be pissed and i laugh mUhahah I agree. Let's hope this is only a bump in the road and not the beginning of a trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 11:42 PM) I agree. Let's hope this is only a bump in the road and not the beginning of a trend. I personally think the effect of Colorado took a toll on Freddy, Jose, and the Duke. Garland just didn't have much today even though that homerun to Clark was ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 (edited) I personally think the effect of Colorado took a toll on Freddy, Jose, and the Duke. Garland just didn't have much today even though that homerun to Clark was ridiculous. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Crede and Konerko didn't help him either, except on offense of course. Edited June 16, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:02 AM) Crede and Konerko didn't help him either, except on offense of course. Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:17 AM) He also has something like 14 walks all season (don't know if that was entering todays game or after it). I know he walked 3 today (or I think he did). That to me is the #1 stat in terms of Jon's success. He's confident and is attacking hitters. That is defiantly the most important stat for Garland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettysburg32 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 the traditional line of thought is that when a pitcher has a lot of decisions, it's positive because it means a pitcher is normally working until fairly deep into the game, lots of IPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 After he gave up the BS homer to Clark, the next four hitters did not have a chance. I think Jon will roll the rest of the way. He looked really ticked after the homer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted June 16, 2005 Author Share Posted June 16, 2005 QUOTE(gettysburg32 @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 05:41 AM) the traditional line of thought is that when a pitcher has a lot of decisions, it's positive because it means a pitcher is normally working until fairly deep into the game, lots of IPs. Yeah, that's pretty much what I think too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:02 AM) Crede and Konerko didn't help him either, except on offense of course. That's a stat that doesn't show up in the books. Jon got in trouble and made some pitches to get out of trouble and Crede and Konerko made some mistakes. I'm not knocking them...those things happen in the course of the season...but those bounces went Jon's way earlier. Every pitcher that wins a lot of games has solid defense behind him that sometimes saves him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 05:54 AM) I personally think the effect of Colorado took a toll on Freddy, Jose, and the Duke. Garland just didn't have much today even though that homerun to Clark was ridiculous. I've heard, a couple of times this year, that an opposing pitchers next start, after one in Colorado, is usually pretty poor. And it is also why Colorado pitchers find it hard to pitch for the Rockies. Even though they are used to it, it's still hard for any person to recover from the altitudes. Something about lack of oxygen and muscle recovery. We'll see after the next start. I'm glad we don't have to go back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Also I got the impression that the Sox weren't to thrilled with the inconsistent strike zone yesterday. Yeah pitchers are supposed to get used to it, but when it seems like every other pitch is a close call...you start wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) Also I got the impression that the Sox weren't to thrilled with the inconsistent strike zone yesterday. Yeah pitchers are supposed to get used to it, but when it seems like every other pitch is a close call...you start wondering. Actually I thought the turning point in the game wasn't Franks HR, but when Ozzie started yelling at the ump from the dugout about the strike zone. It seemed like almost immediately Russ Ortiz's strike zone shrunk to meet Jon Garland's strike zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 that's exactly what I said last night. It was so weird...normally umps to change anything when a manager yells. If anythign they get bigger just to show who's boss. That ump yesterday changed his zone as soon as Ozzie said something to him. It was strange..kinda like...oh ok you caught me...I'll call it fair now. What gives Blue?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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