Capn12 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Thought I'd take a closer look at El Duques stats so far this year to see if anything really stood out at me: Granted its limited sample size, but his difference in performance indoors vs. outdoors, and grass vs. turf are quite astounding. Also, heres the numbers on Duque's last 4 starts: 19.1 IP, 28 H, 20 R, 20 ER, 4 HR, 9 BB, 14K, 9.31 ERA, 1.91 WHIP Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 So all we have to do is have him start on day games in a dome with turf and we're set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHammer Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 For my first post I would like to say.....7-2 looks good to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 QUOTE(TheHammer @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 02:52 AM) For my first post I would like to say.....7-2 looks good to me! Record does yes, but 4.81 ERA, 1.63 WHIP, .292 BAA makes me want to repeatedly :puke WHIPs that high are a telling sign that Duque has gotten VERY good support, both defensively and offensively, to have 7 wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Wo0t one more year of hernandez. Am i the only one excited about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 IMO, he's a much more serviceable 5 starter than our past 5 starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Record does yes, but 4.81 ERA, 1.63 WHIP, .292 BAA makes me want to repeatedly :puke <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And Jizzcan is the bullpen version of El Dookie. :puke Edited June 17, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHammer Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I believe he was 5-1 with a 2.91 ERA through 7 starts. Then he got beat up in 2.2 IP against Texas before he went on the DL. His first two starts coming back from the DL he went 6 IP gave up 4 ERs and won both decisions before getting beat up by Zona. Besides the Zona and Texas starts he is 7-1 with a 3.57 ERA in 9 starts. I'll take some overall bad stats if 9 out of 11 starts are that solid. Especially from a guy who isn't in the top 3 in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 El Duque > Cotts, Diaz, Munoz, Grilli, and the rest of the bums we had start last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 QUOTE(TheHammer @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 03:04 AM) I believe he was 5-1 with a 2.91 ERA through 7 starts. Then he got beat up in 2.2 IP against Texas before he went on the DL. His first two starts coming back from the DL he went 6 IP gave up 4 ERs and won both decisions before getting beat up by Zona. Besides the Zona and Texas starts he is 7-1 with a 3.57 ERA in 9 starts. I'll take some overall bad stats if 9 out of 11 starts are that solid. Especially from a guy who isn't in the top 3 in the rotation. Welcome, and great post. You've obviously met the eternal pessimists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 QUOTE(TheHammer @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 03:04 AM) I believe he was 5-1 with a 2.91 ERA through 7 starts. Then he got beat up in 2.2 IP against Texas before he went on the DL. His first two starts coming back from the DL he went 6 IP gave up 4 ERs and won both decisions before getting beat up by Zona. Besides the Zona and Texas starts he is 7-1 with a 3.57 ERA in 9 starts. I'll take some overall bad stats if 9 out of 11 starts are that solid. Especially from a guy who isn't in the top 3 in the rotation. His peripherals have been some of the worse in the entire league, especially for a pitcher with as many wins compared to losses like him. Realistically contreras deserves to be seven and two way, way before hernadez does. But that is now how baseball works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) I believe he was 5-1 with a 2.91 ERA through 7 starts. Then he got beat up in 2.2 IP against Texas before he went on the DL. His first two starts coming back from the DL he went 6 IP gave up 4 ERs and won both decisions before getting beat up by Zona. Besides the Zona and Texas starts he is 7-1 with a 3.57 ERA in 9 starts. I'll take some overall bad stats if 9 out of 11 starts are that solid. Especially from a guy who isn't in the top 3 in the rotation. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> El Duque's WHIP has been s***ty all season. You can't have a 1.63 WHIP and maintain a 2.91 ERA. Sooner or later it was going to come back and bite him in the ass. He was luckily getting out of almost every jam unscathed through those first 7 starts. Not anymore. Edited June 17, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 Wins and ERA are NOT a definate form of rating a pitchers effectiveness. The fact that his WHIP has been s*** all season, coupled with the BAA at almost .300, goes a long way to saying how effective Duque has been. The overruling fact is he has gotten the defensive and offensive support to get him 7 wins, not because he went out and had a great command of things. 5.7 runs per game is what the offense is giving Duque. Lets compare that with our other starters: 3.8 runs per game for Buehrle 3.6 runs per game for Contreras 4.8 runs per game for Garcia 6.2 runs per game for Garland Now, with that being said, that is runs scored in each game those guys pitched in, not necessarily runs scored WHILE they were in there. But still gives a general observation as to runs scored for each starter. About what we already knew. Garland has been getting a helluva lot of support, Duque too...Buehrle and Contreras on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 02:00 AM) Wo0t one more year of hernandez. Am i the only one excited about that? No I dread this more and more all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I just want to see Duque's ERA stay in the low 4's. If that happens he will be one of the best No.5 starter in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 QUOTE(Be Good @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 07:46 AM) I just want to see Duque's ERA stay in the low 4's. If that happens he will be one of the best No.5 starter in the league. But he's in the 4th spot in the rotation. Garland is in the 5th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I go back and forth on the Duke but the numbers don't lie here. They aren't just inflated by one game or anything. The truth is that he's been mediocre to bad for quite some time now. I still don't think he's with the Sox in 06. In fact, there is a very good chance he doesn't finish the season with the Sox this year. His contract is actually moveable and there could be a move int he offing a la Contreras for Loaiza involving el Duque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 12:49 AM) Well, this should be fun monday when im at the game. El Duque v. Lima. That game could go either way. With the Royals being 13-6 under Buddy Bell, who knows. I think his walks get him into trouble more than anything. That's what leads to his big innings most of the time. He's been the most frustrating starting pitcher of the year. Or they brought back from the DL too soon. Edited June 17, 2005 by robinventura23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHammer Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 For what its worth his 1.45 WHIP in the 9 starts where he wasn't shelled would put him 78th in the majors. Equivalent to an average #3 starter. The 1.63 WHIP would make him equivalent to an average #4 starter. So even with those numbers he seems worthwhile as a #5 starter. Plus the fact that he does a better job than most pitching out of trouble and has a history of pitching much more effectively than he is right now and you have a player that isn't going anywhere unless he is hurt or completely implodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 For a 5 starter, you won't hear me complain much about a 1.50 WHIP, 4.50-5.00 ERA....just that he has been a hard one to watch out on the mound last starts, and WHIP has always been bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox08 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I would take El Duque over Josh Stewart or Jon Rauch anyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 If the Sox go to the playoffs and do some damage, I couldn't give less of a s*** what El Duque might do next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 There is 1 more set of split lines that we shouldn't forget with El Duque: ERA wins losses innings games Postseason 3.59 16 9 223.0 35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 02:12 PM) There is 1 more set of split lines that we shouldn't forget with El Duque: ERA wins losses innings games Postseason 3.59 16 9 223.0 35 And I am sure that his August and September numbers are pretty similar. Hernandez is money when it counts. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 QUOTE(wsox08 @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 01:46 PM) I would take El Duque over Josh Stewart or Jon Rauch anyday Neither of which are with the Sox anymore, coincidentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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