North Dakota is acting as a rogue state

[KipWellsFan]

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/11915527.htm

 

First, he urged Canada to cut off energy exports to the United States and "let the bastards freeze in the dark" because of North Dakota's unwillingness to compromise on its Devils Lake outlet.

 

A day later, Pat Martin, of Winnipeg, a member of Parliament with the New Democratic Party, stirred new diplomatic headaches when he compared North Dakota to one of President George W. Bush's alleged "Axis of Evil" countries.

 

"North Dakota is acting like some rogue state," Martin was quoted in Thursday's Winnipeg Free Press. "Instead of North Dakota, they should be called North Korea, complete with a department of misinformation."

 

Martin made the remark when asked whether there had been any fallout from his previous remarks.

 

Martin was rebuked by members of his own party and criticized by Premier Gary Doer.

 

The Free Press, meanwhile, had some fun with the supposed comparison.

 

In a Thursday front page sidebar that featured photos of North Dakota's leader, Gov. John Hoeven, and North Korea's leader, Kim Jong II, the daily newspaper made comparisons between the two.

 

The comparison pointed out similarities and differences in such things as population (23 million estimated in North Korea, 634,000 in North Dakota), national motto ("One is sure to win if he believes in and depends upon the people" for North Korea, "Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable" for North Dakota) and famous citizens (former dictator Kim II Sung, known as "The Great Leader" in North Korea, and North Dakota bandleader Lawrence Welk).

 

The Free Press comparison also pointed out that North Korea "claims to have military weapons," while North Dakota is "a major center of nuclear power" with its missile silos.

 

And you thought Durbin had harsh words.

 

In all seriousness though does anyone on here know anything about the Devil's Lake project. Because Canadians are very very concerned.

[southsider2k5]

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/11915527.htm

And you thought Durbin had harsh words.

 

In all seriousness though does anyone on here know anything about the Devil's Lake project.  Because Canadians are very very concerned.

 

Never heard of it, but it is funny to hear the Canadians threaten the US economically as their economy is utterly dependant on the US consumers. Heck we should just cut of their US subsidized medicines and see how long they last.

[KipWellsFan]

Never heard of it, but it is funny to hear the Canadians threaten the US economically as their economy is utterly dependant on the US consumers.  Heck we should just cut of their US subsidized medicines and see how long they last.

 

I wouldn't worry about anything happening. Our governments seems very friendly right now.

[southsider2k5]

I wouldn't worry about anything happening.  Our governments seems very friendly right now.

 

Yeah, I know, but it is just funny to hear people say things like that, when in reality, it would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[KipWellsFan]

Yeah, I know, but it is just funny to hear people say things like that, when in reality, it would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

Yup, but it represents how passionate and serious some Canadian government people are about stopping this project. I believe Minnesota also wants further investigation before it goes into effect. Of course the North Dakotans are saying that we're just making the stats up and such, well then if we are they wouldn't be afraid of letting a larger study be completed.

 

here's a better example of how some feel

 

“I want to ask the Prime Minister — he's talked to [u.S. President] George Bush — when does he expect to hear back from the White House whether or not we are going to celebrate Canada Day from here on in as the day that the United States chose to ignore the boundary waters treaty?” he asked.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/National/

[FlaSoxxJim]

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/11915527.htm

And you thought Durbin had harsh words.

 

In all seriousness though does anyone on here know anything about the Devil's Lake project.  Because Canadians are very very concerned.

 

From what I know, The Devil's Lake Project is every bit as ill-conceived as the Canadian opposition to it makes it out to be. Basicallly, North dakota is going to cut the water flow into Devil's Lake, which will send it's pollution and exotic species up to Lake Winnipeg through, I think it's the Red River. ND is pushing for a July 1 project start for fear that the science, the opposition by Minnesota and other Great Lakes states and provinces, and that fact that it violates an international treaty will catch up with them. North Dakota's Senators have some serious pull though, so they have the permits in hand and they say tthat's all they need.

[KipWellsFan]

thank god for wikipedia

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Lak...North_Dakota%29

During the most recent wet cycle which began in 1993, the lake rose over 26.5 ft (8.1 m), inundating 140 mi² (363 km²) of primarily agricultural land, necessitating the expenditure of over $400 million in flood protection measures and leading some to call for a emergency outlet into the Sheyenne River.

 

A proposal from the Army Corps of Engineers would draw water from a different point of the lake, include filtration, and would have been able to discharge a maximum of 300 ft³/s (8 m³/s) of water from Devil's Lake, though it would be subject to the full battery of federal bureaucracy and international negotiation.

 

The North Dakota government under Governor John Hoeven instead pursued unilateral construction of an outlet, with approval of the state Department of Health. With limited state funding this outlet will remove less water than the federal proposal (limited to a maximum of 100 ft³/s (2.8 m³/s) by the Section 402 NDPDES Permit) and less advanced, without any filtration features, but is faster in providing some relief to the situation. Construction began in 2003 and completion is planned for summer 2005.

 

The outlet has drawn fire from the governments of Minnesota and Manitoba, which maintain that the outlet would create the potential for unacceptable levels of sulfates in the river, and the potential for the transfer of unknown foreign aquatic species into the Red River basin, as the outlet would release untreated water from the lake.

 

In March 2004, Manitoba, along with Minnesota and several environmental groups, sued the Department of Health in state court over the Devils Lake Outlet 402 NDPDES Permit. The outlet was allowed to proceed in state court rulings August 2004 and May 2005, however, federal courts and the International Joint Commission have yet to weigh in on the issue.

 

The Canadian government has taken a particular interest in the matter, as completion of the outlet as currently planned would be a violation of the Boundary Waters Treaty of 1909 and Canada's national sovereignty.

[FlaSoxxJim]

thank god for wikipedia

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Lak...North_Dakota%29

And what's wrong with Flaxxipedia, pray tell??

[KipWellsFan]

And what's wrong with Flaxxipedia, pray tell??   

 

A liberal bias.