sayitaintso Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 09:01 AM) Age is big deal nowadays. Go have a look at the yankees. Or the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Helton's past 3 yrs: Home 851AB .380A .482O .699S Road 832AB .310A .422O .517S His road #'s are what we expected from Konerko in his last contract. <sigh> Giambi's past 3 yrs: Home 654AB .272A .415O .485S Road 705AB .265A .401O .567S The NYY$ might use Giambi & cash as the centerpiece to get Helton. Hitting in COL might be the best thing to ressurect Giambi. Would the NYY$ be willing to eat enough of Giambi's contract to where Helton costs them $20M/yr? Probably. As for 2005 Giambi's produced enough to be considered a top 30 AL hitter in limited play. Helton has struggled as well being ranked 41st in the NL. Edited June 19, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(Winnin Ugly @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 06:32 AM) Would be Todd Helton he would be our new 1B for many years he is such a great hitter.. So I would trade B Mac as part as a package to get him if its for this season or next OVERPAID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(Southside hitmen @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 09:08 AM) last 4 seasons PK has 103 Hr's TH has 101 Hr's Last four seasons TH Averages are- .336,.329,.358,.347 PK Averages are- .282,.304,.234,.277 Need I say more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 12:39 PM) PK Averages are- .282,.304,.234,.277 Paulie hit over .300 is a season. If he could only do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Helton avg the last 5 seasons has been 372 336 329 358 347 I dont think how anyone can say ths guy is overpaid.. He is one of the top 10 players in baseball. Edited June 19, 2005 by Cubs Suck23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 .258 6 26 .386/.410/.796 Those numbers up there tell me all I want to know about bringing Helton to the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 09:55 AM) Helton avg the last 5 seasons has been 372 336 329 358 347 I dont think how anyone can say ths guy is overpaid.. He is one of the top 10 players in baseball. Because I woudln't give a 1st baseman that type of money. Not on a team thats payroll is in the mid 70's. The Sox are doing better this year because they spread the money out and got rid of holes by making themselves a much more complete team (they aren't perfect, but its a lot better than investing that money into just Carlos Lee and Maggs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) .258 6 26 .386/.410/.796 Those numbers up there tell me all I want to know about bringing Helton to the Sox. He still has a higher average than Kong does. But Kong has had way more homerun power this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I'm not saying that we should go out and get TH, but i was just trying to prove that he isn't overpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I do believe we need a new 1B for next year if its Helton or someone else... Konerko is a good player but he has no speed or range at 1B... I like to see the Sox get someone who has some speed, plays great defense and has some pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 12:58 PM) He still has a higher average than Kong does. But Kong has had way more homerun power this year. Konerko's in the last year of his deal, for starters. He'll almost undoubtedly be gone after this year. He will also cost $5-7 mill less per year than Helton, and the new contract he gets will run out sooner than Helton's contract right now, and the Sox would have to give up no players to get him, unlike if they wanted Helton. Helton would be a horrible pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 12:02 PM) Konerko's in the last year of his deal, for starters. He'll almost undoubtedly be gone after this year. He will also cost $5-7 mill less per year than Helton, and the new contract he gets will run out sooner than Helton's contract right now, and the Sox would have to give up no players to get him, unlike if they wanted Helton. Helton would be a horrible pickup. A horrible pickup financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Chemistry means a LOT more on a team when it comes to position players than pitchers. This team has MORE chemistry in that dept than most. The most important numbers are the ones we see when we watch the games. Thomas grounded out but he advanced the runner to 2nd. That generated an RBI that started things off. That's two games when the Sox were down that Thomas ignited something. Koney does the same thing at times. There is nothing wrong with keeping Koney & then offering him arbitration for 2006. As for security this is a team that still had a $58M offer on the table for Maggs when he couldn't play. That should mean a lot him. I email Sags all the time to produce an OTB column & factor that in his RPG but he's reluctant. He says he already factors SH & SF & those are more important. I disagree. I think any time a batter advances a runner he should be credited for it. My point is that the team is moving up the ranks in R's scored. It's currently 9th & it could be as high as 6th before the break. Thomas has only amplified the chemistry on this team. Koney has obviously benefited as well. It would be stupid to do anything to disrupt that. With a 6.5 gm lead now on the Twins any trade made should be for winning in the post season. Those games are likely to be won close & late. We have the hitters to win those games. It's still a question as to whether we have the relievers. Adding Eddie Guardado would help solve that question. I think KW knows this. If he's to make any trade it's likely to get a solid dependable quality arm for the bullpen. That trade could be the difference between going home early in Oct or winning the World Series. Edited June 19, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Player like Darin Erstad would be a nice pickup to play 1B for next year team Edited June 19, 2005 by Cubs Suck23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Darrin Erstad for Jon Garland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 01:04 PM) A horrible pickup financially. That's part of it. I also don't want to pay $15 mill to any player, period, because then if that player gets injured, you are screwed. You can have f***in Bonds being stolen at $15 mill a year, but if he gets hurt, your team is f***ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Why do you two constantly bring up players to trade for? Can you two NOT see that the White Sox have the best record in the major leagues? I don't mind trade talk now and then, especially when the team is struggling and a move could be made to jumpstart the team, but you are bringing down the quality of the message board with this constant ridiculous, pipe dream, and sometimes stupid trade talk, especially considering the Sox ARE the best team in the majors. /rant off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 People would like to see the Sox filled thier holes to make the team better for this year and beyond.. We do have the best record but I would like to see them pick up a new starting pitcher I dont have any confidence in Hernandez being healthy he is already injured for the 2nd time this season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Helton>>>>>>Konerko. That being said Todd does make way to much money and he'd handicap the team for a while, not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) That's part of it. I also don't want to pay $15 mill to any player, period, because then if that player gets injured, you are screwed. You can have f***in Bonds being stolen at $15 mill a year, but if he gets hurt, your team is f***ed. I didn't look at it that way. I see where your coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Todd Helton is GROSSLY overpaid. I don't remember the exact numbers, but the last few years of his contract are hideous. $18 or $19 million per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 01:15 PM) People would like to see the Sox filled thier holes to make the team better for this year and beyond.. We do have the best record but I would like to see them pick up a new starting pitcher I dont have any confidence in Hernandez being healthy he is already injured for the 2nd time this season... So you suggest they pick up Darin Erstad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 06:27 PM) So you suggest they pick up Darin Erstad? I would take Erstad for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(SEALgep @ Jun 19, 2005 -> 12:30 PM) I would take Erstad for next year. Though I'm a pretty big erstad fan I think I'd rather see Ross or Rogo get a shot. I think one of them could do a pretty solid job there, jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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