Calling all umpires........

[Rex Hudler]

Can anyone explain to me the ruling which allowed Pods to go to 3B after Weaver chucked the pickoff throw into the stands??

 

The rule is quite simple. The runner gets one base on an overthrow from the mound (rubber), two from the field. Weaver did not step off the rubber before he threw, he wheeled and turned.

 

Did I miss something?

 

And will someone fill Joe Morgan in on the rules?? An overthrow does not get a runner "the base he is going to plus one". That's like saying "a tie goes to the runner" and "the hand is part of the bat". None are true statements.

Edited June 20, 2005 by Rex Hudler

[WHarris1]

Yeah that was strange, at least it had no impact on anything.

[kev211]

Can anyone explain to me the ruling which allowed Pods to go to 3B after Weaver chucked the pickoff throw into the stands??

 

The rule is quite simple.  The runner gets one base on an overthrow from the mound (rubber), two from the field.  Weaver did not step off the rubber before he threw, he wheeled and turned.

 

Did I miss something?

 

And will someone fill Joe Morgan in on the rules??  An overthrow does not get a runner "the base he is going to plus one". That's like saying "a tie goes to the runner" and "the hand is part of the bat".  None are true statements.

I didnt see the play, but if pods was half way beetween 1st and 2nd im preety sure he shoulda got 3rd.

[Goober]

naw, he was just returning to first, maybe just starting to leave it

[Rex Hudler]

I didnt see the play, but if pods was half way beetween 1st and 2nd im preety sure he shoulda got 3rd.

 

which direction he was heading does not matter

[Gene Honda Civic]

I thought it could have been called a balk, but yeah, that was a botched call.

[JDsDirtySox]

Here is the section discussing this matter from the MLB Rules Book.

 

One base shall also be awarded if the pitcher while in contact with the rubber, throws to a base, and the throw goes directly into the stands or into any area where the ball is dead. If, however, the pitched or thrown ball goes through or by the catcher or through the fielder, and remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected into the dugout, stands or other area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be two bases from position of runners at the time of the pitch or throw.

 

 

I am not sure why Pods was allowed to go to third.

[sayitaintso]

Watching it live was hilarious. But i don't know why Pods was given third either. The Dodgers manager came out and argued, but didn't get the call changed obvuiosly.

[whitesoxin']

Lots of luck is coming our way this year.

[Milkman delivers]

Here is the section discussing this matter from the MLB Rules Book.

 

One base shall also be awarded if the pitcher while in contact with the rubber, throws to a base, and the throw goes directly into the stands or into any area where the ball is dead. If, however, the pitched or thrown ball goes through or by the catcher or through the fielder, and remains on the playing field, and is subsequently kicked or deflected into the dugout, stands or other area where the ball is dead, the awarding of bases shall be two bases from position of runners at the time of the pitch or throw.

I am not sure why Pods was allowed to go to third.

 

Maybe they thought Weaver intentionally threw the ball into the stands?

[Soxfest]

Never had seen that until tonight

[jerseysox]

Maybe they thought Weaver intentionally threw the ball into the stands?

 

he stepped off, turned, caught his foot in the dirt, stumbled, threw it into the stands. he gets two bases. he definitely stepped off, and that led to the stumble.

[Jabroni]

I thought it could have been called a balk, but yeah, that was a botched call.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I thought they said it was balk and a wild pick-off throw. So he got 2nd base for the balk and 3rd base for the wild pick-off throw by Weaver.

[IlliniKrush]

I'm an umpire, but i'm still trying to figure this one out. It's one base from the rubber, 2 off...so i'm thinking that the ump determined that he stepped off the rubber to throw (pivoted his foot to the side, off the rubber). He definitely balked before hand though, as his left foot came up before his right one did. Now, i am completely unsure whether or not what Jabroni said is correct - i don't know if it's possible to give a base runner a base for a pickoff and an overthrow from the rubber at the same time, nor do i know if that's how they ruled it. I don't remember hearing that on the telecast.

[jerseysox]

I'm an umpire, but i'm still trying to figure this one out. It's one base from the rubber, 2 off...so i'm thinking that the ump determined that he stepped off the rubber to throw (pivoted his foot to the side, off the rubber). He definitely balked before hand though, as his left foot came up before his right one did. Now, i am completely unsure whether or not what Jabroni said is correct - i don't know if it's possible to give a base runner a base for a pickoff and an overthrow from the rubber at the same time, nor do i know if that's how they ruled it. I don't remember hearing that on the telecast.

 

he absolutely stepped off the rubber. it's what caused him to stumble and hurt himself.

[Dick Allen]

He definitely was not in contact with the rubber. No RHP is in contact with the rubber on a throw to first. Only LHP's are.

[mreye]

He definitely was not in contact with the rubber. No RHP is in contact with the rubber on a throw to first. Only LHP's are.

Correct. If he was, it's a balk.

[Milkman delivers]

Regardless of the call, this is just more evidence that the speed of Pods just kills pitchers. They turn into scared little girls when he's on base.

[JUGGERNAUT]

I'll have to see the replay but I don't think he had a foot on the rubber at the time of the throw. The throw was errant because he twisted his foot prior to releasing the throw. I think when he twisted his foot he was pulled off the rubber.

 

If that's the case then it's considered an errant throw from the field & it was the right call.

[ISF]

Speaking of blown calls, I think we should put together a nice thank you email to the 1B umpire that blew the call on Pods bunt, and which led to our comeback last night in the 8th.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Speaking of blown calls, I think we should put together a nice thank you email to the 1B umpire that blew the call on Pods bunt, and which led to our comeback last night in the 8th.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

It's easy for us to look at the replay & say he made the wrong call but try to imagine what it's like to make it life behind the bag. You've got the best base runner in the game within inches of the bag & a 2B who looks like he's being pulled off the bag by the throw. Your eyes have to dart between Kent's foot & Pods foot to decide the race. The tie always goes to the runner. I think I would have made the call in Pods favor as well.

 

It's a very tough call to make live.

[Queen Prawn]

It's easy for us to look at the replay & say he made the wrong call but try to imagine what it's like to make it life behind the bag.  You've got the best base runner in the game within inches of the bag & a 2B who looks like he's being pulled off the bag by the throw.  Your eyes have to dart between Kent's foot & Pods foot to decide the race.  The tie always goes to the runner.  I think I would have made the call in Pods favor as well.

 

It's a very tough call to make live.

 

It was a tough call that was made more difficult when Hee Sop Choi distracted both the the guy covering and the ump.

[LosMediasBlancas]

It's easy for us to look at the replay & say he made the wrong call but try to imagine what it's like to make it life behind the bag.  You've got the best base runner in the game within inches of the bag & a 2B who looks like he's being pulled off the bag by the throw.  Your eyes have to dart between Kent's foot & Pods foot to decide the race.  The tie always goes to the runner.  I think I would have made the call in Pods favor as well.

 

It's a very tough call to make live.

 

Not to mention, when it's your year, you get those calls.

[maggliopipe]

That's like saying "a tie goes to the runner" and "the hand is part of the bat".  None are true statements.

 

Pardon my ignorance. If the rule isn't 'a tie goes to the runner', what is it? I thought that was a pretty basic rule.

[Balta1701]

Not to mention, when it's your year, you get those calls.

 

On the other hand...we'd still have tied the game even if they'd gotten both of those calls right. Pods at second still scores. And if Pods hadn't been put at first in the 8th, Harris would have been hitting with a guy at 2nd. He could have gotten an actual hit, or even if he made an out, ArRow's single would still have driven in the tying run.

 

Either way...we've had games that the umps took away from us already (Oakland), so if nothing else, things do somewhat even out over a season.