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Corey doesn't walk at all. Can't imagine Oakland would be terribly interested in him. Only if they wanted to flip him in my opinion

That's why this rumor is hard to believe. The A's would want a guy like outfield prospect Matt Murton from the Flubs. Korey Patterson is the anti-Beane player.

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The legit rumor is that the Cubs are looking at Kotsay. The announcer then added his $0.02 that he thought maybe the Cubs would give up Corey Patterson for Kotsay.....so take it for what it is worth. The story is about Kotsay....not Patterson

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Kotsay would be a perfect fit here if we didn't have Scott Podsednik. Beane loves him though, and was working on an extension for him.

 

If anything, the Yankees are probably going to end up with him or Johnny Damon if they both hit FA.

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Kotsay would be a perfect fit here if we didn't have Scott Podsednik. Beane loves him though, and was working on an extension for him.

 

If anything, the Yankees are probably going to end up with him or Johnny Damon if they both hit FA.

Kotsay isn't haven't a very good season but then again, no one on the A's is.

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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 22, 2005 -> 01:36 AM)
Kotsay would be a perfect fit here if we didn't have Scott Podsednik. Beane loves him though, and was working on an extension for him.

 

If anything, the Yankees are probably going to end up with him or Johnny Damon if they both hit FA.

But we do have Scott so he wouldn't be the perfect fit :P Kotsay would be a very solid pickup for the Cubs but it's not going to be Corey Patterson that gets it done, like has already been said Patterson is basically the anti money ball type player.

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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 22, 2005 -> 01:39 AM)
Kotsay isn't haven't a very good season but then again, no one on the A's is.

I was just looking at his stats as well, however with the cubs when you have Neifi Perez and his .307 obp leading off for you Kotsay would be a god send.

 

EDIT: Also with the yanks they have womack hitting 2nd and playing left field, I don't know his stats off the top of my head but I know they aren't pretty.

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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 22, 2005 -> 05:39 PM)
Kotsay isn't haven't a very good season but then again, no one on the A's is.

He's not having his best season, but still splits of .276/.334/.397 aren't the worse, a little bit better than Willie Harris last season, but not as good as Scotty this year.

 

Just goes to show you how good of a year Podsednik is having really. .281/.357/.325.

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He's not having his best season, but still splits of .276/.334/.397 aren't the worse, a little bit better than Willie Harris last season, but not as good as Scotty this year.

 

Just goes to show you how good of a year Podsednik is having really. .281/.357/.325.

I think you got Scotty's stats from the end of yesterday. He's currently at .289/.363/.332

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This article makes more sense. The Cubs would be giving up prospects for Kotsay, not Patterson.

 

"Yanks, Cubs, Red Sox all after Kotsay"

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3708736

If the Yankees want A's center fielder Mark Kotsay, they're going to face stiff competition. The Cubs and Red Sox also have expressed recent trade interest in Kotsay, and the Cubs, in particular, should be deep enough in prospects to satisfy the A's.

 

The chances of Kotsay getting traded will increase if he fails to sign a contract extension with the A's before the July 31 non-waiver deadline. His agent, Greg Genske, has had recent talks with the A's, but told The Sporting News on Tuesday that an extension "doesn't look likely."

 

"They came to us to begin discussions," Genske said. "Certainly we'd be willing to listen if they wanted to talk more in the future."

 

Kotsay, 29, can exercise a player option for $7.05 million after this season or become a free agent. His contract gives him the right to block trades to eight teams, but his no-trade list does not include the Yankees, Cubs and Red Sox. He can be traded to those teams without his permission.

 

Of those clubs, the Red Sox's interest is believed to be the least serious, falling into the category of, "If the Yankees want him, we'll at least declare interest." The Sox could acquire Kotsay as a pre-emptive strike against the possible loss of Johnny Damon as a free agent, but they're cautiously optimistic about re-signing Damon. They also would have no place for Kotsay in their outfield unless they made another trade.

 

The Cubs, too, have a center fielder in place — Corey Patterson, 25 — but Kotsay is a superior defender. It would make little sense for the Cubs to acquire Kotsay if they're not going to play him in center, but another possibility would be to move Kotsay to right, where he has made 320 career starts — though none since 2000 - and shift right fielder Jeromy Burnitz to left. Burnitz has made 80 career starts in left, including 17 with the Rockies last season.

 

One of the prospects that the Yankees reportedly would offer the A's, Class A right-hander Philip Hughes, currently is sidelined with shoulder inflammation, according to the Newark Star-Ledger. The Cubs almost certainly could top a Yankees package of Hughes and Class AA third baseman Eric Duncan. Their farm system, deep in pitching, is considered one of the best in the game.

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QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jun 22, 2005 -> 11:43 PM)
who would the cubs put in center, jerry hairston, that would make them worse, but im all for it  :fthecubs

Kotsay would be the center fielder if Patterson was moved, but if Patterson stayed at they dealt for Kotsay with prospects, K-Orey would continue to be the CF, while Kotsay moved to RF, and Burnitz to LF.

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Kotsay would be the center fielder if Patterson was moved, but if Patterson stayed at they dealt for Kotsay with prospects, K-Orey would continue to be the CF, while Kotsay moved to RF, and Burnitz to LF.

oh right forgot about that :bang

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Kotsay would be the center fielder if Patterson was moved, but if Patterson stayed at they dealt for Kotsay with prospects, K-Orey would continue to be the CF, while Kotsay moved to RF, and Burnitz to LF.

So in other words they'd be taking Kotsay as an upgrade over Dubois. That's still a decent upgrade, but personally I'd rather keep Dubois in the OF, get him playing time and let him develop out there. Patterson's had his shot in that park...their hitting coaches can't get through to him.

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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 22, 2005 -> 06:28 AM)
This article makes more sense.  The Cubs would be giving up prospects for Kotsay, not Patterson.

 

"Yanks, Cubs, Red Sox all after Kotsay"

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3708736

I don't recall many saying the Cubs have one of the best farm systems in the game considering they haven't developed an All-Star positional player since Marc Grace, and their overrated pitchers can't stay healthy. And was Mark Prior really considered a prospect considering how long he was in college? :huh:

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I don't recall many  saying the Cubs have one of the best farm systems in the game considering they haven't developed an All-Star positional player since Marc Grace, and their overrated pitchers can't stay healthy.  And was Mark Prior really considered a prospect considering how long he was in college?  :huh:

 

The key word in your post is "Overrated". This means that the players are rated highly despite future inability to perform.

 

That is exactly what you want to have when you go out looking to make deals; a bunch of overrated players. Because when you trade them, you get back more value than you sent out.

 

Also...you say that the Cubs haven't developed an All Star player since Grace. While that is true, they've also found several via trades (Ramierez, Lee), and they've done a dynamite job of developing pitching. Even if the guys they kept were the wrong guys...think about the guys they've traded as well - Garland, Willis, etc.

 

If they're not developing position players, there's no reason not to trade for them.

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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2005 -> 12:09 PM)
Also...you say that the Cubs haven't developed an All Star player since Grace.  While that is true, they've also found several via trades (Ramierez, Lee), and they've done a dynamite job of developing pitching.  Even if the guys they kept were the wrong guys...think about the guys they've traded as well - Garland, Willis, etc.

 

If they're not developing position players, there's no reason not to trade for them.

Both of those trades were salary dumps by smaller market teams.

 

The Cubs, Red Sox, and Yankees feast on teams with payroll issuses.

 

Is Cashman considered brilliant because he "only" gave up Soriano for 7 years worth of A-Rod?

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