Joe Randa - Whitesox a possibility

[Jabroni]

Randa is 35, do the Twins think he's a long term answer for them??  They are 10 games back, do they see him as a tool necessary to make a push for this year?

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For THIS season, they would move Cruddyer to 2nd base. They would move him back to 3rd once Randa is gone. And yes, I could see them going after a guy like Randa. The Twins have a horrible infield, offensively and defensively, and Randa would be a guy they could actually acquire considering he is only on a 1-year, $2.15 million contract. They would only have to pay his prorated salary if they acquired him at the deadline.

Edited June 23, 2005 by Jabroni

[sayitaintso]

I still say it's a mistake to underestimate the kind of year Crede could have , THIS YEAR.

 

Yes, Joe Crede had a Godawful May.  Absolutely horrid.  Worthy of being benched.

 

But when's the last time you looked at his performance the other 2 months this year?

 

BA/OBP/Slug/OPS

April: .304 .368 .456 .824  2 HR

June: .315 .383 .593 .976  4 HR

 

If he avoids falling into another May at any point this year, he'll hit .290 at this rate.

How long has that been said. He could hit this year, he could hit next year. He's not a good hitter.

[Milkman delivers]

When someone else mentioned Shea Hillenbrand, that got me thinking. I thought we could get Randa and have him play both 3B and 1B to spell Crede and Konerko. Hillenbrand could do that, too.

[beck72]

I can see the Twins giving up some pitching for Randa. They need someone for 3b far worse than the sox.

[beck72]

If the Twins trade for Randa, they would just move Cruddyer to 2nd base.

That's Cuddyers' best position. A Minn. writer speculated that getting Randa would be their best move

[SoxFan1]

I heard this as well.  I also think Kenny would trade for Randa first, just to cock-block the Twins from getting him.

True. See "Freddy Garcia to the Yankees.....no White Sox."

[CWSGuy406]

What would a 3B-man thread be without a Vinny Castilla update?

 

Vinny Castilla - .719 OPS

 

Joe Crede - .727 OPS

 

Umm...

 

Umm...

 

Umm...

[southsideirish71]

Here is where the money is earned. This is the stat that will mean something in the postseason. How many times when you have men in scoring position and 2 outs can you drive that run in.

 

 

RISP with 2 outs(aka the clutch stat)

 

Randa .333

 

Crede .172

Hillenbrand .182

Castilla .242

 

Get Randa, release Timo and use Cruddy to split time spelling Randa and Konerko at 1st.

[Milkman delivers]

Get Randa, release Timo and use Cruddy to split time spelling Randa and Konerko at 1st.

 

Ah, I see my idea stuck with some people.

[southsideirish71]

Ah, I see my idea stuck with some people.

 

 

I like the idea. Crede can still provide a good glove coming off the bench. He can spell Randa and Kong.

[SoxFan1]

I'd like Randa over any 3B available other than MAYBE Chavez.

[Guest JimH]

I like the idea.  Crede can still provide a good glove coming off the bench.  He can spell Randa and Kong.

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Crede is not a 1B and if they used Timo ahead of him at 1B and also considered Dye and Widger ... they sure as hell wouldn't use him at 1B during a pennant race.

 

They do need a backup 1B though, no doubt about that.

[Balta1701]

Get Randa, release Timo and use Cruddy to split time spelling Randa and Konerko at 1st.

Here's the deal...any time you have anyone take Timo's roster spot, things immediately look a lot better. But the fact is...it seems like Ozzie or KW don't want Timo to go - that's why they kept talking about Harris leaving when Gload comes back.

 

I think we're just as good with Crede at 3rd and Gload taking Timo's spot as we are with Crede and Randa both. If Gload ever heals, of course. If he doesn't, then we need another backup 1b, and I'll concede that point.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Crede is the starting 3B. He simply doesn't add enough defensively to push Crede to the bench. Crede has the edge in terms of 2nd half numbers over the past 3 yrs.

 

Randa only fits if there is room for him on the bench to backup 1B. He would essentially take Gload's promised spot.

 

Bench: Widger, Everett, Harris, Ozuna, Randa

- you have to keep Ozuna & Harris for backups in the middle IF & speed.

[southsideirish71]

Crede is the starting 3B.  He simply doesn't add enough defensively to push Crede to the bench.  Crede has the edge in terms of 2nd half numbers over the past 3 yrs.

 

Randa only fits if there is room for him on the bench to backup 1B.  He would essentially take Gload's promised spot. 

 

Bench: Widger, Everett, Harris, Ozuna, Randa

- you have to keep Ozuna & Harris for backups in the middle IF & speed.

 

You would put Randa on the bench over the inconsistant Crede who has a hole in his swing. The guy who even his hitting coach states will be a .240 hitter this year and hasnt accomplished anything from last year.

 

 

I would start Randa over Crede in a heartbeat. Anyone that states otherwise needs to check in their Crede's Crew application for some prozac.

Edited June 23, 2005 by southsideirish71

[AirScott]

Crede hit .304 in April, .115 in May, and is hitting .298 this month. would it be smart to bank on that fact that every other month he hits well, and with this pattern he'll have a good October?

[Guest JimH]

The guy who even his hitting coach states will be a .240 hitter this year and hasnt accomplished anything from last year.

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Where was this stated? I did not see anything like this.

 

I'm sure you've considered the likelihood of the Sox sticking with Crede, for a number of reasons that have been discussed ad infinitum? And that posting it almost every day on SoxTalk is not gonna change their minds?

[Milkman delivers]

I don't want to start another thread, because this board is already full of no information based trade ideas, but I think the Sox should look hard at Tony G.

 

1. Can play 3b, SS, 1b, or an OF spot if needed.

2. By the time KC is ready to compete, Tony G will be well gone, so dont tell me we cant trade in the divison

3. Wont have to worry about team chemestry. Knows Frank, Aaron, Paul,Mark Jon,Marte, Crede.

 

Not looking at Tony to start, just more depth.

 

Wasn't Graffanino really unhappy about not being a starter here before? And didn't he complain about it?

[qwerty]

I don't want to start another thread, because this board is already full of no information based trade ideas, but I think the Sox should look hard at Tony G.

 

1. Can play 3b, SS, 1b, or an OF spot if needed.

2. By the time KC is ready to compete, Tony G will be well gone, so dont tell me we cant trade in the divison

3. Wont have to worry about team chemestry. Knows Frank, Aaron, Paul,Mark Jon,Marte, Crede.

 

Not looking at Tony to start, just more depth.

 

Alright i am not gonna tell you they can't trade within the divsion... but they won't. As jimh is about to tell you have have not dealt with one another for a long as time.

[Guest JimH]

I don't want to start another thread, because this board is already full of no information based trade ideas, but I think the Sox should look hard at Tony G.

 

1. Can play 3b, SS, 1b, or an OF spot if needed.

2. By the time KC is ready to compete, Tony G will be well gone, so dont tell me we cant trade in the divison

3. Wont have to worry about team chemestry. Knows Frank, Aaron, Paul,Mark Jon,Marte, Crede.

 

Not looking at Tony to start, just more depth.

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Tough to argue this, he would fit, he's been playing a lot of 1B for KC. Somehow I still think trading within the division is an issue. I understand the Royals being far far away from contention for this year and probably the next 2 after. But there's got to be some reason the two teams haven't dealt with one another in over 15 years. KW was on the radio about two weeks ago and basically said to scratch off any teams in the AL Central in terms of acquiring help.

[qwerty]

Wasn't Graffanino really unhappy about not being a starter here before?  And didn't he complain about it?

 

Unhappy? Not that i recall. I do recall that he would have liked a chance to start if given the oppurtunity. He also fits in with most of the royals religion wise.

[qwerty]

Tough to argue this, he would fit, he's been playing a lot of 1B for KC.  Somehow I still think trading within the division is an issue.  I understand the Royals being far far away from contention for this year and probably the next 2 after. But there's got to be some reason the two teams haven't dealt with one another in over 15 years. KW was on the radio about two weeks ago and basically said to scratch off any teams in the AL Central in terms of acquiring help.

 

Am i good or what.

[AirScott]

Unhappy? Not that i recall. I do recall that he would have liked a chance to start if given the oppurtunity. He also fits in with most of the royals religion wise.

I'm pretty sure during one of the games vs. the Royals, Hawk or DJ mentioned that Graff's problem here was that he wasn't starting. they said he wasn't disruptive, but he still wanted a chance to be an everyday player.

[qwerty]

I'm pretty sure during one of the games vs. the Royals, Hawk or DJ mentioned that Graff's problem here was that he wasn't starting.  they said he wasn't disruptive, but he still wanted a chance to be an everyday player.

 

Maybe they meant he wasn't producing as well because he wasn't starting? Plain and simple, in my opinion anyway, he is not a starter. That is liek saying greasy forehead (ozuna) would be a good starter.

[AirScott]

Maybe they meant he wasn't producing as well because he wasn't starting? Plain and simple, in my opinion anyway, he is not a starter. That is liek saying greasy forehead (ozuna) would be a good starter.

either way, I'm sure they said he wanted to start and wasn't going to get that chance here.