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With Orlando Hernandez's durability in question, the Sox have taken a look at Toronto left-hander Ted Lilly. Sox special assistant Bill Scherrer attended Lilly's last start, in which he pitched seven innings of three-hit ball and struck out 10 against Baltimore on Monday.

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This is my take on what the Sox trade priorities should be. My sole goal is to win the World Series, and I believe all trades should be with that in mind.

 

1. Roger Clemens. If Houston isn't trading him, then fine. I'm not willing to pay so much that they HAVE to take the deal. But he alone could put this team over the top. He's probably the only pitcher who could be on the market that would knock Mark Buehrle to #2, but in doing so, our playoff rotation of Rocket, Buehrle, Garcia and Garland would best any rival in baseball no matter what trades they might make.

 

2. Replace Uribe. Everyone has focused on Crede, but it is Uribe who has reverted to his norm, which is a sub-.300 OBP and not enough power to make up for it. Uribe's got a great arm, but he's a sure out in the lineup. What would it take to pry Omar Vizquel from the Giants? (Of course, we could have solved this just by paying a little more to sign Omar as a FA.) I suppose the only consolation is that Uribe's splits show that September and April are his best months, so maybe he likes colder weather? (I also don't suppose that Ozuna can be the starter and Uribe the backup? Maybe Uribe's back injury will be a blessing by letting us find that out.)

 

3. Eddie Guardado. I love Cotts and Politte and how they've grown in the pen. And Hermanson has closed very well, especially if he's not used every day. And maybe even Marte will harness his incredible stuff. But we could use a tested veteran that can close games. If we got Eddie, I would like move Hermanson into an 8th inning role along with Politte, Cotts, and Marte. Shingo or Vizcaino could be part of the trade. (If we don't add a top starter, then this would move to #1.)

 

That's it for me. We don't need much.

 

 

Here is who I would NOT trade for.

 

1. Jason Schmidt. The bidding on this is going to be sky high. Baltimore and Texas desperately need him right now. But I'm not convinced he's so much better than Jose Contreras right now, who has shown marked improvement and could get even better over the next 3 months.

 

2. Brad Lidge/Roy Oswalt/Morgan Ensberg. I don't think any of these guys will be dealt. And even if Lidge is, he would only be our fourth or fifth best reliever, behind Hermanson, Politte, Cotts, and possibly even Marte. Check his game by game stats. He give up hits most appearances and runs far too often.

 

3. Joe Randa. I'm not set against this one, but I don't think we should replace Joe Crede just yet. Yes, we've all waited forever for Crede to learn to hit, but as someone pointed out, he has hit very well in April and June, so maybe he will come around. But it is Crede's defense that I would not want to give up in a 1-run playoff game in the late innings. Randa's defense looks as good on paper, but who would play 3B next year? Remember how Crede got hot his call up year late in the season? I still think it is possible for him to find that, and even if he doesn't, as an 8th or 9th place hitter that can bop 20+ HRs and play great infield defense, I don't think he's hurting us.

 

4. Ted Lilly. Why? We don't need a journeyman to fill the fifth starter spot. I'd give El Duque July off to heal - the 5th starter need only start 3 games that month - and see what McCarthy has. And if McCarthy wins a couple of those games, I'd rest El Duque even longer so he's healthy and sharp in October. A healthy El Duque could be a secret weapon in the postseason with his guile and experience.

 

Anyway, that's how I see it now. But my mind could change.

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I agree with you for the most part. I, however, would be tentative about getting Eddie. Normally I'd be all for it, but he may be an injury waiting to happen. He's been pitching with a rotator problem recently, and I just don't know how it's just going to get better with more use. Just a few months back I injured my rotator. It started as slight discomfort, then one day, bam, I was out and my shoulder was in sharp pain. That alone would be enough to scare me away from him. Although if we got a top starter we could solve the "Cuban pitching crisis" and put one of them in the pen, solidifying that as well. Demote Vizcaino, he's been given ample opportunity to find his location but still cannot do it. I was at the game yesterday when he pitched the ninth. It was pathetic, the only reason he got 3 outs was because the Cubs batters insisted on swinging at balls way out of the strike zone.

 

As per Schmidt, at first I really thought it was a bad idea given his injury. His last start though was promising in that his velocity was back up. The Giants will wait on it now as long as they can (probably till close to the deadline) and see if Schmidt can make the full recovery. Don't think that the bidding would be any higher for Schmidt than it would be for Clemens. If Schmidt continues to improve and be the Cy-caliber pitcher that he's capable of being, I couldn't fault Kenny for moving for him either.

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While Uribe is frightfully returning to form, the argument to get rid of him seems somewhat moot. He has a cannon for an arm and really helps out on the defensive end. Sure he frequently makes an out but often hits against pitchers no one else can because of his erractic behavior. Crede and Uribe are becoming far too similar to call one out and not the other. In any event, if you must replace Uribe:

 

Omar is a good replacement option for this year but,

Julio Lugo may be just as good for this year and even better in subsequent years. He may not have the postseason experience like Omar but has better numbers this year and almost certainly will next year as Omar's age catches up to him. Lugo is 29 and a 5 year veteran. It appears as if he's finally stopped swinging for the fences and realizes the type of player he is. He's the 3rd highest paid player on a Rays team that will probably be unloading. They were previously looking to sign him longterm but have been unable to do so. He's making $3.25 mil this year with an option worth almost $5 mil next year. With that cheapass running the show down in Tampa, and Baez and Huff probable candidates to be moved this year (the other 2 players being paid more), it seems not all that unlikely that Lugo could be acquired too. He's hitting .290 with 20 stolen bases. He seems like a perfect fit into Ozzie's style and primed to set the highest stolen base total of his career. With a little help from Ozzieball, he could steal 40-50 bases at the rate he's going now. Speculation of course but something to think about nonetheless. The only holdup I see is that I've read the Rays' GM is hard to deal with. Thoughts?

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And even if Lidge is, he would only be our fourth or fifth best reliever, behind Hermanson, Politte, Cotts, and possibly even Marte.  Check his game by game stats.  He give up hits most appearances and runs far too often.

 

Dude your crazy, Lidge would easily become our best reliever and kick Hermanson out of the closers role.. He has a 2.73 ERA and K's batters at an alarming rate

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QUOTE(That funky motion @ Jun 24, 2005 -> 08:55 PM)
True but I'm sure they did'nt bring him up,so Randa could DH for three games! :bang

Um, teams do that...Prince Fielder did when the Brewers went to Tampa Bay not too long ago.

 

QUOTE(Jimenez4MVP @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 05:41 PM)
Dude your crazy, Lidge would easily become our best reliever and kick Hermanson out of the closers role.. He has a 2.73 ERA and K's batters at an alarming rate

Haha, and you use logic, how crazy of you.

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Watching the Twins/Brewers game, the Brewer announcers are talking up how their young guys are ready to come up, including Prince Fielder. Possibly making Overbay available in the off season. Anyone for letting Paulie walk and getting Lyle? I would in a sec.

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QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 08:13 PM)
Watching the Twins/Brewers game, the Brewer announcers are talking up how their young guys are ready to come up, including Prince Fielder. Possibly making Overbay available in the off season. Anyone for letting Paulie walk and getting Lyle? I would in a sec.

 

I'd be all for that.

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QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 08:13 PM)
Watching the Twins/Brewers game, the Brewer announcers are talking up how their young guys are ready to come up, including Prince Fielder. Possibly making Overbay available in the off season. Anyone for letting Paulie walk and getting Lyle? I would in a sec.

LOL I wouldn't even have to think about that.

 

Brign on Lyle.

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QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 07:13 PM)
Watching the Twins/Brewers game, the Brewer announcers are talking up how their young guys are ready to come up, including Prince Fielder. Possibly making Overbay available in the off season. Anyone for letting Paulie walk and getting Lyle? I would in a sec.

I have been preaching to let Paulie walk and make a deal for Overbay...the kid is a stud and just what this team could use...IMO

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If we get Ted Lilly in a deal, I hope we also get Aaron Hill. That guy is awesome! He could sub for Crede or Uribe--he's just another great utility player.

 

OK, if we can get Aaron Hill. Do it. That guy is a SUPERSTAR.

 

How's Konerko, Anderson and BMac sound Toronto? Bad? Yeah. I thought so.

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QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 05:37 PM)
I'm 100 pct against bringing in Lilly.  Just ask Eric Milton what it's like to pitch in a hitter's park when you're a flyball pitcher.

 

Yeah, that scares the hell out of me. If Schmidt it available and we get Lilly instead, I'll be very disappointed.

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Aaron hill a superstar?

 

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Anyway, be prepared to see what the brewers as for in return for overbay. It is gonna be a s*** load. I would rather go with a cheaper one year type deal with a first baseman because two years down the road.

 

You can compare which is better if you like.

 

2005.

 

First Base/DH:

Fred McGriff (Agent Jim Krivacs)

David Segui

Ellis Burks (Retired)

Edgar Martinez(Retired)

Brad Fullmer

Robin Ventura(Retired)

Mo Vaughn

Andres Galaragga (Retired)

Phil Hiatt

Dave McCarty

Steve Cox

Rafael Palmeiro

Jose Offerman

Frank Thomas (Player + Team option)

J.T. Snow

John Olerud

Dave Hansen

Julio Franco

Tim Salmon

Doug Mientkiewicz (Vesting Option) (arb.)

Kevin Millar

Paul Konerko

Dimitri Young (Team Option)

Scott Hatteberg (Team Option)

Eduardo Perez

Wil Cordero

Robert Fick

Greg Colbrunn

Mark Sweeney

Tino Martinez (Team Option)

Ruben Sierra

Tony Clark

Travis Lee

Erubiel Durazo

Brian Buchanan

 

2006.

 

1B/DH:

Sean Casey

Phil Nevin

Derrek Lee

Jeff Bagwell (Team Option)

Darin Erstad

Dimitri Young (Team Option)

David Ortiz (Team Option)

Craig Wilson

Nick Johnson

Aubrey Huff

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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 02:40 AM)
I'm drooling.

 

Casey will probably make it I'd imagine. Johnson potentially could too.

 

I'd bet money that Lee is resigned, and I would almost be willing to put money on it that Huff is traded and then resigned.

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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 03:22 AM)
Casey will probably make it I'd imagine.  Johnson potentially could too.

 

I'd bet money that Lee is resigned, and I would almost be willing to put money on it that Huff is traded and then resigned.

I don't think there's any chance in hell that the Cubs let Derrek Lee file for free agency. But a fella can dream.

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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 03:26 AM)
I don't think there's any chance in hell that the Cubs let Derrek Lee file for free agency. But a fella can dream.

 

With some of the talk around here, entire message boards can dream. :D

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