The Gigantic all encompassing TRADE THREAD

[CWSGuy406]

A.J. Burnett - I'd get him at a big price tag (trade value wise) if neccessary, especially if I thought I could ink him for another 3-4 years. He would be worth McCarthy, Marte, and their choice of Timo Perez or Ryan Sweeney to me. I'd even be willing to give up Everett if they would take a lesser reliever than Marte. Then again, who wouldn't pay that much for a 28 year old fireballer who's had success at the ML level? Unfortunately, the White Sox aren't interested at the present time, unless Kenny and Ozzie have completely fooled the media.

 

 

Yeah, I'm sure Florida would have to think long and hard choosing between Ryan Sweeney and Timo Perez...

 

Eric Chavez - It's not going to happen, nor do I want it to. He may seem like a good addition now, but a couple years down the road, some of you would probably talk about him the way you talk about Kong now.

 

What the hell are you talking about? Even when Chavez doesn't hit, he plays defense that is better than any other player in the league, at a position that is much more important (defensively) than 1B. Konerko's best OBP year was still more than .030 %-points behind Chavez'. Chavez is also entering his prime years, while Konerko will turn 30 next year.

 

Saying that Chavez will be equal to Konerko in the next couple years is a real poor comparison, IMO.

Edited June 28, 2005 by CWSGuy406

[Dam8610]

Yeah, I'm sure Florida would have to think long and hard choosing between Ryan Sweeney and Timo Perez...

 

Hey, you never know. When a team is looking for ML players, they might take a guy who can play in MLB right now over a prospect who could be a few years away still.

 

What the hell are you talking about?  Even when Chavez doesn't hit, he plays defense that is better than any other player in the league, at a position that is much more important (defensively) than 1B.  Konerko's best OBP year was still more than .030 %-points behind Chavez'.  Chavez is also entering his prime years, while Konerko will turn 30 next year.

 

Saying that Chavez will be equal to Konerko in the next couple years is a real poor comparison, IMO.

 

Chavez makes a lot of money, and hasn't hit well this year. He'd be getting ripped apart by some people here were he on the White Sox. That wasn't really even my point though. My point was that Chavez isn't even a possibility.

[AirScott]

Chavez makes a lot of money, and hasn't hit well this year. He'd be getting ripped apart by some people here were he on the White Sox. That wasn't really even my point though. My point was that Chavez isn't even a possibility.

Chavez has been rounding back into form. so far this June he is hitting .374 with 7 homeruns and 18 RBIs. he plays gold glove defense and is signed long-term. see, I told you all he wouldn't be going anywhere, and I'd get comments like "Thank you for telling us, Kenny" and things like that. would have liked to get him though, but I knew all along it wouldn't happen.

[CWSGuy406]

Hey, you never know. When a team is looking for ML players, they might take a guy who can play in MLB right now over a prospect who could be a few years away still.

Chavez makes a lot of money, and hasn't hit well this year. He'd be getting ripped apart by some people here were he on the White Sox. That wasn't really even my point though. My point was that Chavez isn't even a possibility.

 

A GM would be fired on the spot if he were offered Timo Perez or Ryan Sweeney, and took Timo Perez.

 

And Chavez makes $10 million a year, plays gold glove defense, and is entering his prime -- I expect him to play at a 125 OPS+. His normal OPS would be much better if he played somewhere else, too -- I'd have to imagine that he gets a ton of AB's taken away just because the huge foul ball territory there in Oakland...

 

If I'm gonna pay a player $10 million bucks a season, Chavez is just about the player who I'd want to give it to. Maybe $8-$9 is a little more appropriate, but I wouldn't mind Chavez at $10 mill.

 

EDIT: Hmm, it's not as many AB's as I would have thought. Looking at his 2004 hitting chart from MLB.com, it looks like he only made seven (maybe eight) outs that in a normal stadium, would have been in the stands for a foul ball.

Edited June 28, 2005 by CWSGuy406

[BigSqwert]

you're right, it'd take too much to get him, but he really doesn't suck.  I never did say run support and ERA are tied together, I did say, however, that pitchers tend to pitch better when it seems they have a chance to win it.  Zito would have his head into it a little more if his offense wasn't rolling everything over and striking out all the time.

 

Although I didn't look it up but isn't Zito, and most of the A's, better in the 2nd half of the season? Seems like every year they make a big run in the 2nd half.

[Milkman delivers]

And Chavez makes $10 million a year, plays gold glove defense, and is entering his prime -- I expect him to play at a 125 OPS+.  His normal OPS would be much better if he played somewhere else, too -- I'd have to imagine that he gets a ton of AB's taken away just because the huge foul ball territory there in Oakland...

 

Oh man, now I'm thinking of the numbers Chavez would put up with our RF bullpen and bullpen bar. Damn, now Chavez is back in my head. I guess he can join Joe Randa, Jason Schmidt, Roy Oswalt, and AJ Burnett.

[BigSqwert]

Oh man, now I'm thinking of the numbers Chavez would put up with our RF bullpen and bullpen bar.  Damn, now Chavez is back in my head.  I guess he can join Joe Randa, Jason Schmidt, Roy Oswalt, and AJ Burnett.

 

No doubt. Didn't he hit one to the right field concourse a couple years back? At the time it was the longest HR in new Comiskey history. Not sure if it still is.

[Milkman delivers]

No doubt.  Didn't he hit one to the right field concourse a couple years back?  At the time it was the longest HR in new Comiskey history.  Not sure if it still is.

 

It's now the longest HR hit by an opponent. The amazing Joe Borchard now holds the record for longest HR, I think.

[qwerty]

$$$$. Zito is a free agent at the end of this season, if you're going to trade for him it's going to cost you a s*** load talent wise, then you have to make sure you can resign him. His contract will be rigoddamndiculous. $10mil+ for an underperforming pitcher.

 

He makes 5.6 million and is not a free agent at the end of the season.

[Kalapse]

He makes 5.6 million and is not a free agent at the end of the season.

I just checked and he has an option for '06 worth $7mil.

 

I didn't say he was making $10mil+ this year, I said that's what he'll get in Free Agency which is still another year away.

[qwerty]

I just checked and he has an option for '06 worth $7mil.

 

I didn't say he was making $10mil+ this year, I said that's what he'll get in Free Agency which is still another year away.

 

Yes, and he won't get 10+ if he has another year and a half like this and like last year.

[DBAHO]

Hey, you never know. When a team is looking for ML players, they might take a guy who can play in MLB right now over a prospect who could be a few years away still.

Chavez makes a lot of money, and hasn't hit well this year. He'd be getting ripped apart by some people here were he on the White Sox. That wasn't really even my point though. My point was that Chavez isn't even a possibility.

29 other MLB teams would NOT think Timo Perez is a MLB player. Unfortunately we're not one of them. Comparing Sweeney to Perez is like comparing a Corona to a cheap Mongolian Beer.

 

And on Chavez;

 

1) He's a slow starter

2) Check his June splits

3) He hits half his games in Oakland, where it is VERY hard to hit a HR.

 

But with the way the A's have played lately, they're not dealing Zito or Chavez.

[Jabroni]

Hey, you never know. When a team is looking for ML players, they might take a guy who can play in MLB right now over a prospect who could be a few years away still.

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Ummm, no. No one would want Timo. He has about zero trade value.

[qwerty]

Ummm, no.  No one would want Timo.  He has about zero trade value.

 

Timo has negeative trade value... and that is being nice.

[Jabroni]

Timo has negeative trade value... and that is being nice.

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If there was any player in the MLB that could make that possible, Timo would be the guy.

[3E8]

Maybe Florida still remembers that blast off Benitez?

 

:wink:

[Jabroni]

"Top prospects may be on the move

Contending clubs might deal Minor stars for big-league talent"

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Chicago (AL): Untouchables include Brian Anderson, Ryan Sweeney, Brandon McCarthy and Josh Fields, but the White Sox might be willing to part with some arms in their upper levels. Southpaw Arnie Munoz still should have some value as a lefty specialist, while maybe a starter like Sean Tracey could be wrested for the right price.

How in the hell does Arnie Munoz have any trade value?

[3E8]

How in the hell do we plan on acquiring anybody halfway decent with that many untouchables?

[nitetrain8601]

How in the hell do we plan on acquiring anybody halfway decent with that many untouchables?

 

I agree. That's way too many untouchables. I'd say all of them are available minus Sweeney. But you know KW. Once he has his board, he sticks to it like the 10 commandments. I also would add Gio to the untouchable list with Sweeney.

[Dam8610]

Wasn't Jeremy Reed untouchable last year?

[nitetrain8601]

Wasn't Jeremy Reed untouchable last year?

 

I don't remember that. It was widely speculated that he would get traded in the Garcia deal since the beginning.

[qwerty]

I always see around here sweeney> anderson. Why is that, because he is younger? Anderson > sweeney in my opnion and it's not really that close.

[Kalapse]

I always see around here sweeney> anderson. Why is that, because he is younger? Anderson > sweeney in my opnion and it's not really that close.

Anderson has proven far more over the course of his minor league career. I totally agree Anderson>Sweeney. People see scouting reports on Sweeney saying that he's the second comming, hell some scout called him a god a year ago.

[DBAHO]

"Top prospects may be on the move

Contending clubs might deal Minor stars for big-league talent"

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb

How in the hell does Arnie Munoz have any trade value?

On Munoz, he's still young, had success in September last season in the pen, and possesses a wicked curveball. Some team will want him considering he's a lefty.

 

And I'd take Josh Fields off that list and put Gio Gonzalez on. But I expect to see Sean Tracey dealt, considering he's wild as a starter, is in the higher levels, and well we'll trade for somebody.

[DBAHO]

I always see around here sweeney> anderson. Why is that, because he is younger? Anderson > sweeney in my opnion and it's not really that close.

Because long - term in the majors Sweeney has the potential to be an all - star. I think Anderson will be a very good player, but he won't be a superstar. Sweeney has the chance to.