jerseysox Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:29 PM) That really is two different arguments. His stats say otherwise, his stats say he is one of the best pitchers in the leauge. Why if Cliff had saves, but not the same ERA would be considered an all star. I dont get it. if he was as good as you claim he is, he would be closing games. it's so hard debating things with people who are 17 and would rather let someone f*** their girlfriend as opposed to letting the cubs win the series over the sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:31 PM) if he was as good as you claim he is, he would be closing games. it's so hard debating things with people who are 17 and would rather let someone f*** their girlfriend as opposed to letting the cubs win the series over the sox. So just because he is not a closer, he is not deserved. Politte > Wickman. PERIOD. Just because he has saves, he is better??? NO. Besides, why put him at closer when you have someone else doing a more than ample job in Hermy??? Edited June 28, 2005 by SoxFan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) if he was as good as you claim he is, he would be closing games. NO NO NO He doesn't close because he doesn't have the mentality, why is that hard to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseysox Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) You said it yourself. Cliff Politte not Heidi Klum....you lose! huh? let me speak slowly you think cliff politte SHOULD be an all-star i think heidi klum SHOULD have sex with me cliff pollite WON'T be an all-star heidi klum WON'T have sex with me i'm sorry if i threw anyone off there with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseysox Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) So just because he is not a closer, he is not deserved. Politte > Wickman. PERIOD. Just because he has saves, he is better??? NO. Besides, why put him at closer when you have someone else doing a more than ample job in Hermy??? my point is, when shingo was crapping the bed, and politte was so awesome, why didn't we turn to him to close full-time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseysox Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) NO NO NO He doesn't close because he doesn't have the mentality, why is that hard to understand? holy crap. so let's reward the guy who's too scared to close games by making him an all-star. seriously, i don't know what else to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) my point is, when shingo was crapping the bed, and politte was so awesome, why didn't we turn to him to close full-time? Because Hermy stepped it up before Politte did. It was a toss-up at that point. Politte, Hermy, or Marte. He put Hermy in 1 game, he dominated, and it stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:34 PM) my point is, when shingo was crapping the bed, and politte was so awesome, why didn't we turn to him to close full-time? Hermanson was better than Politte at the time. Plus Hermanson had more prior experience closing than Cliff. Edited June 28, 2005 by Kalapse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:35 PM) holy crap. so let's reward the guy who's too scared to close games by making him an all-star. seriously, i don't know what else to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) huh? let me speak slowly you think cliff politte SHOULD be an all-star i think heidi klum SHOULD have sex with me cliff pollite WON'T be an all-star heidi klum WON'T have sex with me i'm sorry if i threw anyone off there with that. :headshake I quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 03:31 PM) if he was as good as you claim he is, he would be closing games. it's so hard debating things with people who are 17 and would rather let someone f*** their girlfriend as opposed to letting the cubs win the series over the sox. You're unreal. All you have to backup your argument is that Wickman closes games and since you have nothing at all to back it up you stoop to how old people are. Well guess what a bunch of 17 year olds just out argued you with ease, so what does that say about you? Edited June 28, 2005 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseysox Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:36 PM) :headshake I quit. lol thank god. you're 15. no wonder you can't follow. pack up your desk and get out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:38 PM) lol thank god. you're 15. no wonder you can't follow. pack up your desk and get out! Hold the f*** on. How can I not follow? At least I back my s*** up. All you got to say is that he is not a closer yadda yadda yadda. It's funny how sometimes the older person needs to grow up. Man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) huh? let me speak slowly you think cliff politte SHOULD be an all-star i think heidi klum SHOULD have sex with me cliff pollite WON'T be an all-star heidi klum WON'T have sex with me i'm sorry if i threw anyone off there with that. Statistically information backs up Politte for All-star. Nothing but your opinion backs up your Klum fantasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseysox Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:37 PM) You're unreal. All you have to backup your argument is that Wickman closes games and since you have nothing at all to back it up you stoop to how old people are. Well guess what a bunch of 17 year olds just out argued you with ease, so what does that say about you? yep, all he does is close games. that's not important. pitching well in the 7th and 8th -- now that's what really counts. you got me. a fantastic argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) yep, all he does is close games. that's not important. pitching well in the 7th and 8th -- now that's what really counts. you got me. a fantastic argument. In what way is getting 3 9th inning outs more important than 3 9th inning outs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseysox Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) Statistically information backs up Politte for All-star. Nothing but your opinion backs up your Klum fantasy he leads the al in saves. he has an era of 2.80. he's 21 of 24 in save opps. he pitches much more meaningful innings than politte. sorry if i failed to mention that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) yep, all he does is close games. that's not important. pitching well in the 7th and 8th -- now that's what really counts. you got me. a fantastic argument. So in your mind this year: Foulke> Politte because he closes games and cliff doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:40 PM) yep, all he does is close games. that's not important. pitching well in the 7th and 8th -- now that's what really counts. you got me. a fantastic argument. So what...your pitcher throws 6 shut-out innings with a high pitch-count...now what? Are you gonna magically sklip the 7th and 8th to get to your closer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:41 PM) he leads the al in saves. he has an era of 2.80. he's 21 of 24 in save opps. he pitches much more meaningful innings than politte. sorry if i failed to mention that. 2.80 ERA is not good for a closer neither are any of his other stats other than Saves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:41 PM) he leads the al in saves. he has an era of 2.80. he's 21 of 24 in save opps. he pitches much more meaningful innings than politte. sorry if i failed to mention that. Meaningfull innings as in the 5 times Politte has pitched in a tie and got the win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseysox Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:39 PM) Hold the f*** on. How can I not follow? At least I back my s*** up. All you got to say is that he is not a closer yadda yadda yadda. It's funny how sometimes the older person needs to grow up. Man... well, your argument was "I quit" another good argument i got before was "WICKMAN?!?!?! WICKMAN?!?!?! WICKMAN?!?!?!" sorry guys. your arguments got me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:41 PM) he leads the al in saves. he has an era of 2.80. he's 21 of 24 in save opps. he pitches much more meaningful innings than politte. sorry if i failed to mention that. Pitching w/o the lead and holding the opposition > Pitching with a 1-4 run lead and getting 3 outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:43 PM) well, your argument was "I quit" another good argument i got before was "WICKMAN?!?!?! WICKMAN?!?!?! WICKMAN?!?!?!" sorry guys. your arguments got me. I quit is not an argument. :banghead :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) yep, all he does is close games. that's not important. pitching well in the 7th and 8th -- now that's what really counts. you got me. a fantastic argument. Getting the 3-4-5-6 hitters out in the 7th and 8th is easier than getting the 7th-8th/PH-PH out in the 9th? Getting out of a 1st and 2nd, nobody out jam in the 8th is so much easier than starting an inning and getting 3 outs, right? The 7th and 8th are just as important as the 9th...the difference with the 9th is that it is the other team's last 3 outs, so they will do nearly anything to try and tie the game up. That, and it's the final 3 outs of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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