THATS A WHITE SOX WINNER!

[GASHWOUND]

This has nothing to do with you, Gashwound, but I have to say this.  Around here, it's one extreme or the other.  Either every pitcher that does well against us "had a good game" or "our offense sucked ass."  I find it hard to believe either way.  It's weird to think that our offense could suck so frequently, but it's also weird to think that a lot of pitchers seem to have a career-best performances against us.

 

The last month or so our offensive has improved..we've average prob close to 5 runs a game...the last 3 games we've faced Maddux, Prior, and Robertson who came in with a decent 3/1/2 ERA...

 

But around here it is one extrme or the other...Hermy has a couple bad games we need a new closer, or someone is slumping we need to make trades and such.. Why is it a bad thing to take things in perpective and not jump to "one extrme or the other" or to be jabroniesque as i like to call it..

[Wolverine31]

This game just illustrates how lucky the White Sox have been this year. You have well over 20 one run wins this year. You are bound to come tumbling back to Earth next season because you are not as good as your record indicates, not by a long shot. That lead off triple scores most of the time, but the White Sox lucked out again. Plus, I think it's highly likely your pitchers are having career years rather than having established a new level of performance.

 

This game just stunk. That shot in the 9th should have been out. The sick thing is that as a Tigers fan, I knew after it stayed in Comerica Canyon, that we wouldn't score. That's how little faith I have for hackers like Dmitri Young and Craig Monroe to even hit a sac fly in the clutch. It seems like these guys choke the big one and try for home runs rather than do the small things that win games. It seems like we find a way to lose lately, like the botched double play in Arizona that cost us to lose a game where we gave up no earned runs.

 

BTW, Ordonez is rehabbing in Toledo and is supposed to be back at the end of the week. We will see if it actually was the knee that was bothering him. Hope he can produce.

Edited June 29, 2005 by Wolverine31

[WHarris1]

This game just illustrates how lucky the White Sox have been this year. You have well over 20 one run wins this year. You are bound to come tumbling back to Earth next season because you are not as good as your record indicates, not by a long shot. That lead off triple scores most of the time, but the White Sox lucked out again. Plus, I think it's highly likely your pitchers are having career years rather than having established a new level of performance.

We are all dumber after reading that.

 

Good not lucky pitchers get out of man on 3rd no out jams. That's the dumbest f***ing thing I've ever heard. Hermanson was pure luck I suppose? Wow....

 

GOOD teams win one run games, s***ty teams lose them. It's really f***ing simple. It's called having a pen, it's called having a clutch offense, it's called having people that now how to win.

 

:fyou

[Kalapse]

This game just illustrates how lucky the White Sox have been this year. You have well over 20 one run wins this year. You are bound to come tumbling back to Earth next season because you are not as good as your record indicates, not by a long shot. That lead off triple scores most of the time, but the White Sox lucked out again. Plus, I think it's highly likely your pitchers are having career years rather than having established a new level of performance.

 

This game just stunk. That shot in the 9th should have been out. The sick thing is that as a Tigers fan, I knew after it stayed in Comerica Canyon, that we wouldn't score. That's how little faith I have for hackers like Dmitri Young and Craig Monroe to even hit a sac fly in the clutch. It seems like these guys choke the big one and try for home runs rather than do the small things that win games. It seems like we find a way to lose lately, like the botched double play in Arizona that cost us to lose a game where we gave up no earned runs.

 

BTW, Ordonez is rehabbing in Toledo and is supposed to be back at the end of the week. We will see if it actually was the knee that was bothering him. Hope he can produce.

:finger :finger

[GASHWOUND]

We are all dumber after reading that.

 

Good not lucky pitchers get out of man on 3rd no out jams.  That's the dumbest f***ing thing I've ever heard.  Hermanson was pure luck I suppose?  Wow....

 

GOOD teams win one run games, s***ty teams lose them. It's really f***ing simple.  It's called having a pen, it's called having a clutch offense, it's called having people that now how to win.

 

:fyou

 

 

And you're right, I do feel a bit dumber after reading that...

[Jabroni]

The last month or so our offensive has improved..we've average prob close to 5 runs a game...the last 3 games we've faced Maddux, Prior, and Robertson who came in with a decent 3/1/2 ERA...

 

But around here it is one extrme or the other...Hermy has a couple bad games we need a new closer, or someone is slumping we need to make trades and such.. Why is it a bad thing to take things in perpective and not jump to "one extrme or the other" or to be jabroniesque as i like to call it..

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I said and I quote, "our offense is a concern though." Would you like to cry some more about someone making a simple and fair comment?

 

Here, I will even use stats to back up my point...

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp

 

* The Sox are 22nd in the MLB with a .261 team AVG.

* The Sox are 24th in the MLB with a .324 team OBP.

 

That isn't good. My prediction is that you will say, "BUT WE ARE 51-24 THOUGH!"

Edited June 29, 2005 by Jabroni

[WHarris1]

I said and I quote, "our offense is a concern though."  Would you like to cry some more about someone making a simple and fair comment?

 

Here, I will even use stats to back up my point...

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp

 

*  The Sox are 22nd in the MLB with a .261 team AVG.

*  The Sox are 24th in the MLB with a .324 team OBP.

 

That isn't good.  My prediction is that you will say, "BUT WE ARE 51-24 THOUGH!"

What's more important, AVG or runs scored?

[Jabroni]

What's more important, AVG or runs scored?

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Runs scored but you still can't be happy with our team AVG and team OBP. Do you think we will remain this clutch at scoring runs in key situations all season long and even in the playoffs against stud pitchers? Just look at what we did against Prior and Maddux. Those are the kinds of pitchers we will see in the playoffs. Well, not Prior and Maddux but pitchers of their quality.

Edited June 29, 2005 by Jabroni

[GASHWOUND]

I said and I quote, "our offense is a concern though."  Would you like to cry some more about someone making a simple and fair comment?

 

 

Yeah, I made my statement cause of that one comment you made... :rolly

[ptatc]

What's more important, AVG or runs scored?

 

 

good point, where are we in runs scored

 

another one may be run differential

Edited June 29, 2005 by ptatc

[Jabroni]

good point, where are we in runs scored

 

another one may be run differential

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http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortab...05&sortByStat=R

 

The Sox are ranked 10th in the MLB in runs scored with 360.

[ptatc]

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortab...05&sortByStat=R

 

The Sox are ranked 10th in the MLB in runs scored with 360.

 

This is cause for some concern. I think to win it all, which is the goal, we do need to pick that up a bit.

[Jabroni]

This is cause for some concern. I think to win it all, which is the goal, we do need to pick that up  a bit.

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10th in runs scored is actually good considering their low team AVG and OBP.

[ptatc]

10th in runs scored is actually good considering their low team AVG and OBP.

 

 

true, but the goal of the offense is to score runs. It doesn't matter how. We need to find some way to increase it.

 

Of course we outscored the Twins the last few years and lost the division, maybe the run differential could show something.

[Balta1701]

This is cause for some concern. I think to win it all, which is the goal, we do need to pick that up  a bit.

We picked up a bat a couple weeks ago...He wears #35, and his impact on the lineup is only beginning to be felt.

 

When the Astros picked up Beltran last year, they didn't immediately go on a winning streak & take the division, in fact they fell further back, but then a few things clicked, the offense adapted, and you know the rest.

[Wolverine31]

We are all dumber after reading that.

 

Good not lucky pitchers get out of man on 3rd no out jams.  That's the dumbest f***ing thing I've ever heard.  Hermanson was pure luck I suppose?  Wow....

 

GOOD teams win one run games, s***ty teams lose them. It's really f***ing simple.  It's called having a pen, it's called having a clutch offense, it's called having people that now how to win.

 

:fyou

 

Oh really, if it was such a joke that you are all dumber after reading why does Mark Buehrle have to say this in the game recap:

 

"The man upstairs is a Sox fan this year," said Buehrle with a wry smile. "There are games that we shouldn't be winning that we are winning. It's the way this team is. We keep battling, and everything is clicking for us."

 

Baseball Prospectus has done studies on one run wins and it has to do with luck entirely. You aren't as good as your record and will come crashing back down to Earth next season without additions.

 

Edit: Hermanson wasn't good. He was facing Young and Monroe. Anybody could get those hacking clowns out in a clutch situation.

Edited June 29, 2005 by Wolverine31

[Kalapse]

You're right, we are lucky. We suck badly and should probably be in 3rd place. We'll fade after the All-Star break and miss the playoffs again.

[Rowand44]

We won, right?

Apparently not. I must have watched the wrong game. Is this redsox talk??

[Rowand44]

I'm going to say this about Roberston I don't care if he doesn't live up to some of your qualifications for a great starting pitcher but he was awesome tonight. He was hitting corners all night, the ump was giving him the inside corner to righties and he was starting that 2 seamer at them and just froze 'em. His performance was outstanding tonight and no offense would have hit him, he was just that good on this night.

[Jabroni]

I'm going to say this about Roberston I don't care if he doesn't live up to some of your qualifications for a great starting pitcher but he was awesome tonight.  He was hitting corners all night, the ump was giving him the inside corner to righties and he was starting that 2 seamer at them and just froze 'em.  His performance was outstanding tonight and no offense would have hit him, he was just that good on this night.

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Was he really that good or did our lineup make him look better than he actually is? How many K's looking did he get?

[Rowand44]

Oh really, if it was such a joke that you are all dumber after reading why does Mark Buehrle have to say this in the game recap:

 

"The man upstairs is a Sox fan this year," said Buehrle with a wry smile. "There are games that we shouldn't be winning that we are winning. It's the way this team is. We keep battling, and everything is clicking for us."

 

Baseball Prospectus has done studies on one run wins and it has to do with luck entirely. You aren't as good as your record and will come crashing back down to Earth next season without additions.

 

Edit: Hermanson wasn't good. He was facing Young and Monroe. Anybody could get those hacking clowns out in a clutch situation.

Fantastic a delusional tigers fan. The Twins have been quite lucky for the last 3 years, haven't they?

[Rowand44]

Was he really that good or did our lineup make him look better than he actually is?  How many K's looking did he get?

He was really, really good tonight. When you hit corners like he did today no offense is going to hit you.

[Jabroni]

Fantastic a delusional tigers fan.  The Twins have been quite lucky for the last 3 years, haven't they?

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A Tigers' fan ripping on the White Sox? That's f***ing rich.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Oh really, if it was such a joke that you are all dumber after reading why does Mark Buehrle have to say this in the game recap:

 

"The man upstairs is a Sox fan this year," said Buehrle with a wry smile. "There are games that we shouldn't be winning that we are winning. It's the way this team is. We keep battling, and everything is clicking for us."

 

Baseball Prospectus has done studies on one run wins and it has to do with luck entirely. You aren't as good as your record and will come crashing back down to Earth next season without additions.

 

Edit: Hermanson wasn't good. He was facing Young and Monroe. Anybody could get those hacking clowns out in a clutch situation.

Shouldn't you be crapping all over a Cleveland message board tonight?

 

After all, look what your slugger had to say...

http://www.detnews.com/2005/tigers/0504/11/D01-146478.htm

"Forget the other teams," Young said to the strains of "Cripple Creek," "it's going to come down to us and Cleveland. No disrespect to the Twins and White Sox, I just feel that club, the doggone Indians, is going to be the thorn in our side.

[Jabroni]

Shouldn't you be crapping all over a Cleveland message board tonight?

 

After all, look what your slugger had to say...

http://www.detnews.com/2005/tigers/0504/11/D01-146478.htm

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Dmitri was right about the Indians. They are a thorn in the Tigers' side. Afterall, they ARE keeping the Tigers in 4th place.